Hans-Dieter Flick

Hansi Flick - how do we rate him?


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serghei

Senior Member
Open play situations weren't nearly as bad, but we botched the set pieces big time. Didn't watch the 2nd half but that's useless anyway as the game was over with the red. Easy to blame Flick for this, but Ferran was so bad, I can't be sure this is not related to his individual disasterclass. Most of the action in the first half by Chelsea came on his flank. Almost all of it.

Season is gonna get more defined when we have the full standard 11 available. If this stuff happens frequently again... then Flick will be more and more under scrutiny.
 

Porque

Senior Member
There were two games last night- before the red card and after the red card. Everything analysed should be keep into those two mindsets (and those those reading that ready to jump in, well atleast the coach didn't get his ass sent off).

11v11 quite even with Chelsea taking the momentum, about 60/40 to Chelsea.

11v10, an absolute lesson in the gogoplata and every variation of a chokehold- blood or air.

In the end a humbling game for everyone involved. The pressure is off in Europe, so time to build up in LaLiga for 2026. If we can sneak in one strong winter signing then that could change alot. Bring back Busi, bring back Xavi (the player), hell, bring back Gumbau.
 

malvolio

Senior Member
Open play situations weren't nearly as bad, but we botched the set pieces big time. Didn't watch the 2nd half but that's useless anyway as the game was over with the red.
In open play they had proper athletic beasts in midfield, who dominated our weak ass Eric - FDJ - Fermin trio. We still don't have a proper DM who can shield our defense.
 

serghei

Senior Member
In open play they had proper athletic beasts in midfield, who dominated our weak ass Eric - FDJ - Fermin trio. We still don't have a proper DM who can shield our defense.

They did, but in the first half, only two really important chances happened in open play. Both due to fuck-ups and bad turnovers by both Barcelona and Chelsea. The shot wide by Ferran in min 5, and the Neto shot over the bar after a De Jong - Balde error not long after.

The rest of the danger Chelsea posed was through corners and set pieces. Both the disallowed and the legit goal are nearly identical plays where we defended poorly as if we barely studied our opponent.
 

jamrock

Senior Member
There were two games last night- before the red card and after the red card. Everything analysed should be keep into those two mindsets (and those those reading that ready to jump in, well atleast the coach didn't get his ass sent off).

11v11 quite even with Chelsea taking the momentum, about 60/40 to Chelsea.

11v10, an absolute lesson in the gogoplata and every variation of a chokehold- blood or air.

In the end a humbling game for everyone involved. The pressure is off in Europe, so time to build up in LaLiga for 2026. If we can sneak in one strong winter signing then that could change alot. Bring back Busi, bring back Xavi (the player), hell, bring back Gumbau.

Yea 60/40 is about right.

I'd say 65/35 though lol.

After the red, everything was irrelevant, we had no chance
 

jairzinho

Senior Member
Maybe these early season batterings will help us improve in the long run. That's the only positive i could think of atm. Better to get exposed early on in the season and identify where the weak areas are before halfway point in Jan.
 

Devils

Senior Member
There were two games last night- before the red card and after the red card. Everything analysed should be keep into those two mindsets (and those those reading that ready to jump in, well atleast the coach didn't get his ass sent off).

11v11 quite even with Chelsea taking the momentum, about 60/40 to Chelsea.

11v10, an absolute lesson in the gogoplata and every variation of a chokehold- blood or air.

In the end a humbling game for everyone involved. The pressure is off in Europe, so time to build up in LaLiga for 2026. If we can sneak in one strong winter signing then that could change alot. Bring back Busi, bring back Xavi (the player), hell, bring back Gumbau.

Aside from the Ferran chance, Barca were still getting dunked on by Chelsea. Couldn't cope with the intensity or physicality of their players. Caicedo, Enzo, Reece, Cucrella were bullying the Barca players with their physiciality.

Chelsea in attack just did was PSG did 3 years ago: Target the likes of Araujo, Kounde and Balde because they know they are poor on the ball.

It's very easy, if you can bully the Barca midfield and put pressure on the Barca defense, the backline will crumble like stale bread.

Until Barca gets some defenders who are good on the ball and can play out of pressure, this is a cakwalk for any team.
 
Flick started by acknowledging that Barcelona should have made better use of their early chances, after which came a period of Chelsea dominance that never ended.


“We had a chance to score the first goal, and after that, playing with one man down against this Chelsea isn’t easy. We fought, and I also saw some positive things.


“But we lost a large number of balls. And that’s all I can say. We lost easy balls under pressure and in easy passes. So we need to analyse all of this,”
he said.

The Barcelona coach admitted that following the Chelsea defeat, securing a place in the last eight will be even more difficult. “It will definitely be a very difficult task, but everything is possible,” he said.


It was clear that Chelsea were the better side of the two. But when asked about Barcelona’s intensity, especially compared to last season, Flick chose to hail the opposition.


“I think it’s just one match, and this is Chelsea. We started well and had a big chance from Ferran, but we could have scored the first goal.

“And in the end, with one player less, things go like this, but I also think we have the intensity we need today. As for me, I can repeat it again, I’m optimistic about the next match. We’ll see, but I’m really optimistic,” he said.


“It’s not easy to play against Chelsea, against a very good team, and you’re down a man,” he added.


When asked whether or not Barcelona’s high defensive line was the problem, Flick said, “No, that’s not it. I think we defended well, but the problem was that we lost a lot of balls.


“It wasn’t that they pressed us and we lost the ball, no. Rather, we were making easy passes and then losing them, I’m positive. I’m also positive about what we offered in the second half and how we defended as a team
.”


Flick was also asked if there is a clear disparity between the intensity of La Liga and Champions League matches.


“I don’t know exactly the number of minutes, but I think we played a lot of minutes while missing a player, and Chelsea is a very good team with the ball. So we have to accept this loss, but also think positively,” he answered.


A big turning point of the match came just before half-time when Ronald Araujo’s rash tackle led to his second yellow card.


“With the red card, everything changed. So it wasn’t easy to face this great team and come back in the match while we were down a player. For me, we have to accept this defeat, but I’m also looking with great optimism toward the upcoming matches,” he said.


The German was asked what he would do to help Araujo avoid picking up red cards in important matches.


“As for me, I didn’t see what happened with the first card. So I have to talk to him, and I also have to watch the match videos again and analyse them.


“The second card happens sometimes, but perhaps he could have avoided intervening like that, or maybe guided him more on what he can do. But in the end, this happens in football. It wasn’t the right time, nor the right match, but that’s how it went,”
he answered.



Flick went on to talk about what Barcelona have learnt from this match, where the opposition was clearly the better team.

“To play more aggressively, especially in 1v1 situations, when you see Chelsea, they always maintain possession of the ball. They played more physically and were more dynamic in 1v1 matchups.

“That’s also what I want from my team. Sometimes we think we can control everything with the ball, but here in the Champions League, and especially here against a club that’s second in the Premier League, that’s not the case,”
he said.

When asked if we will see a different Barcelona in a few months, Flick alluded to his previous promise.

“This is what I promised you. I see how we train, I see the quality, and I also see the intensity. The situation is completely different from what it was 6 weeks ago. And the players are returning, and the quality in training is improving a lot, and this is what I see.

“And I have a very good feeling about it and am optimistic about the future,”
he said.

Finally, the German tactician talked about Barcelona’s road ahead, especially in the UEFA Champions League.

“I think I really saw some positive things from my team, and I’m also looking forward with optimism to the upcoming matches, and also the Champions League.

“We have three matches, three matches, nine points to win, and I’m really looking at it positively and thinking positively about it. We can achieve this,”
he concluded.
 
“This is what I promised you. I see how we train, I see the quality, and I also see the intensity. The situation is completely different from what it was 6 weeks ago. And the players are returning, and the quality in training is improving a lot, and this is what I see.'

Hansi is basically saying we will peak in 2nd half of the season to win the CL :pique1:
 

serghei

Senior Member
It was pretty close in the first half if you ignore Chelsea taking their set pieces very well and us doing a piss poor job at defending them. Chelsea dominated for sure, but they played at home and we had some key injuries.

Dominating and putting pressure is not automatically such a big deal. Cucurella, Neto, and Estevao played great games, and all activated on our left flank.
 

serghei

Senior Member
“This is what I promised you. I see how we train, I see the quality, and I also see the intensity. The situation is completely different from what it was 6 weeks ago. And the players are returning, and the quality in training is improving a lot, and this is what I see.'

Hansi is basically saying we will peak in 2nd half of the season to win the CL :pique1:

Meh, he talks the same things always. Intensity and hopes. Not much to be learned from managers pressers in general. Some combination of moaning and things to improve all the time, with a hope that what went poorly will get fixed.
 

malvolio

Senior Member
Meh, he talks the same things always. Intensity and hopes. Not much to be learned from managers pressers in general. Some combination of moaning, hopes, and things to improve all the time, with a hope that what went poorly will get fixed.
Thing is this wishful thinking about us doing a U-turn in the second part of the season is based on nothing. We were shit in CL vs big teams last season, we are shit this season too.
It's not like this team was some juggernaut that obliterated everything and is now in a drop of form.

I'm not concentrating much on LL as there you can win with donkies like Fermin and Ferran.
 

Porque

Senior Member
Aside from the Ferran chance, Barca were still getting dunked on by Chelsea. Couldn't cope with the intensity or physicality of their players. Caicedo, Enzo, Reece, Cucrella were bullying the Barca players with their physiciality.

Chelsea in attack just did was PSG did 3 years ago: Target the likes of Araujo, Kounde and Balde because they know they are poor on the ball.

It's very easy, if you can bully the Barca midfield and put pressure on the Barca defense, the backline will crumble like stale bread.

Until Barca gets some defenders who are good on the ball and can play out of pressure, this is a cakwalk for any team.

Chelsea adjust very well after the first 15-20 minutes where we were finding good outlets from midfield and defence.

I'd put that partly down to Maresca being a very good coach, and us lacking the talent (Araujo-Pique in defence, Eric in midfield).

Lewy for example is getting blasted on here but 11v11 I thought he was doing fine with the ref being very soft to the Chelsea centreback for some reason he their duels.
 

serghei

Senior Member
Chelsea didn't target anyone in particular. Played their normal game and put us under pressure, then collected the reward as our weaker players couldn't cope with the pressure and intensity/pace of the game. Hell, not even the better players showed much, so of course the weaker ones had disaster games.

There's not a question of targeting X or Y. They played their normal game and played through their best players, and it was already enough to beat us. They probably beat us in 11 vs 11 too, but in a closer game. They played a better match.

It was us who had to adapt to them and we couldn't do it.
 

serghei

Senior Member
Thing is this wishful thinking about us doing a U-turn in the second part of the season is based on nothing. We were shit in CL vs big teams last season, we are shit this season too.
It's not like this team was some juggernaut that obliterated everything and is now in a drop of form.

I'm not concentrating much on LL as there you can win with donkies like Fermin and Ferran.
Shit is overblown by a mile.

Just because we have issues beating A or A+ sides it doesn't mean we're not good. You have to look at context a bit. All these teams people gush about on this forum didn't amount to much in CL either.

If you make a list of teams that checked quarters + semis in CL in the last 2 seasons or bettered this resume, it's a very short list with maybe 3-4 teams apart from us on it.

We have to understand the club's situation and be sympathetic to it. Everyone wants Barcelona to be in the elite squadron of teams, but we're just not there and we will never be until our finances allow us to build a squad that cost at least half the assembled squads of the teams we are facing on an European stage. We have teams investing 1bn+ to build their squad, and we are not even at half that.

Miracles don't happen in football. They just don't at the level fans dream of. We can perform great stuff and use La Masia to get a head start, but the biggest piece of the puzzle will have to be put in place in the traditional 2020s football way: by spending tens of millions per player and sign the right ones. Those tens of millions per player in multiple positions lead to what I've been saying on this place for years. We lack the 200-300m of quick squad investment to compete really hard at the top.

It's not a manager issue, never was in the last years. All managers make errors. We've overachieved all this time, but we've reached a point where it's the hardest to make the last step and become a real contender for the top spots.

Chelsea barely drew 2-2 at Qarabag in the previous rounds. Got outplayed by Bayern and beaten easily. Lost to several average EPL sides at home. They are not great team people say, but they have the main ingredient to get there faster: money, and lots of it.

It is not a club issue now. The club is great and doing good things. It's a resources issue. If Chelsea or similar clubs would be forced to operate at our spending levels since 2021, they'd be total dross. They wouldn't make hopes about playing CL finals lol and looking at not making a CL final as a sign of being shite. They would actually really be shite.

No other club would actually push through such disastrous finances, do it so valiantly, and carry it this high all the way through the edge of a treble. None. Zero. Every club that achieved more than us in the last years did it by outspending us by an insane factor. And most big spenders failed to even match half of what we did in a dire era.

This is football heritage.
 
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