Hans-Dieter Flick

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Temptation

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@Birdy @jamrock 😳


𝐊𝐨𝐦𝐩𝐚𝐧𝐲'𝐬 𝐬𝐞𝐜𝐫𝐞𝐭 π₯πšπ›π¨π«πšπ­π¨π«π²
At Bayern’s training ground, a small detail is making a big difference: players frequently wear skin-coloured patches on their earlobes because the club takes blood samples before and even during sessions. By tracking lactate and creatine kinase levels in real time, Vincent Kompany and his staff can precisely gauge muscle load, detect early signs of strain, and adjust training intensity individually. This proactive monitoring has paid off. Bayern have barely suffered muscle injuries this season, a big contrast to last year’s Champions League collapse when half the core squad was sidelined.
What do you think about this highly data-driven approach to player management?
 

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
@Birdy @jamrock 😳


𝐊𝐨𝐦𝐩𝐚𝐧𝐲'𝐬 𝐬𝐞𝐜𝐫𝐞𝐭 π₯πšπ›π¨π«πšπ­π¨π«π²
At Bayern’s training ground, a small detail is making a big difference: players frequently wear skin-coloured patches on their earlobes because the club takes blood samples before and even during sessions. By tracking lactate and creatine kinase levels in real time, Vincent Kompany and his staff can precisely gauge muscle load, detect early signs of strain, and adjust training intensity individually. This proactive monitoring has paid off. Bayern have barely suffered muscle injuries this season, a big contrast to last year’s Champions League collapse when half the core squad was sidelined.
What do you think about this highly data-driven approach to player management?

We hear this every year with at least one club, even in Barca it was said during both Lucho and Flick's eras.
And usually, it works early then goes back
 

Birdy

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@Birdy @jamrock 😳


𝐊𝐨𝐦𝐩𝐚𝐧𝐲'𝐬 𝐬𝐞𝐜𝐫𝐞𝐭 π₯πšπ›π¨π«πšπ­π¨π«π²
At Bayern’s training ground, a small detail is making a big difference: players frequently wear skin-coloured patches on their earlobes because the club takes blood samples before and even during sessions. By tracking lactate and creatine kinase levels in real time, Vincent Kompany and his staff can precisely gauge muscle load, detect early signs of strain, and adjust training intensity individually. This proactive monitoring has paid off. Bayern have barely suffered muscle injuries this season, a big contrast to last year’s Champions League collapse when half the core squad was sidelined.
What do you think about this highly data-driven approach to player management?

That's spot-on approach, and that' the future really...

Anyone telling you it doesn't work usually don't have a clue about cutting edge sports science
 

vegitot

Senior Member
That's spot-on approach, and that' the future really...

Anyone telling you it doesn't work usually don't have a clue about cutting edge sports science
Or it's just a club in good form and everything they do is right. Like last season Barca when everyone praised team's training program, regime but this season when every players get injuries, people wonder why the training regime is so poor...

That Bayern's method above isn't something new. I remember Milan in their golden time (2002-07) with Milan Lab already used it...
 

Birdy

Senior Member
Or it's just a club in good form and everything they do is right. Like last season Barca when everyone praised team's training program, regime but this season when every players get injuries, people wonder why the training regime is so poor...

That Bayern's method above isn't something new. I remember Milan in their golden time (2002-07) with Milan Lab already used it...

So you say Milan used skin-coloured patches on player's earlobes and taking blood samples midway in training sections between 2002 and 2007

Prove it, or it never happened.
It's easy to talk shit just to discredit something
 

vegitot

Senior Member
So you say Milan used skin-coloured patches on player's earlobes and taking blood samples midway in training sections between 2002 and 2007

Prove it, or it never happened.
It's easy to talk shit just to discredit something
Well it's not exactly the same thing (cause technology of 20 years ago was not today technology). But Milan Lab did collect players data from training then improved their fitness, physicality, mentality and predicted injuries. Results were their overage players like Maldini, Costacurta, Cafu...all played at high level. Their players were mostly fit and won tittles here and there... You can ask Milan fans and they will say Milan Lab was their biggest factor to success in 2000s.

Not to discredit anything. Bayern are doing well, good for them. But not like they find the way to cure cancer.
 

Birdy

Senior Member
Well it's not exactly the same thing (cause technology of 20 years ago was not today technology). But Milan Lab did collect players data from training then improved their fitness, physicality, mentality and predicted injuries. Results were their overage players like Maldini, Costacurta, Cafu...all played at high level. Their players were mostly fit and won tittles here and there... You can ask Milan fans and they will say Milan Lab was their biggest factor to success in 2000s.

Not to discredit anything. Bayern are doing well, good for them. But not like they find the way to cure cancer.

I don't have to ask anyone anything....
You mentioned it as a fact, the burden of proof falls on your side

But I now see you already minimized your initial statement. So no team so far has been checking lactate and other parameters in blood midway in training. Milan just 'collected data'
 

vegitot

Senior Member
I don't have to ask anyone anything....
You mentioned it as a fact, the burden of proof falls on your side

But I now see you already minimized your initial statement. So no team so far has been checking lactate and other parameters in blood midway in training. Milan just 'collected data'
I don't know if Milan Lab back then checked their player lactate... Maybe they did or maybe not.

The fact here is science has been used in football training for decades. Other teams have done it in the past and achieved success. People praised them just exactly like how you praise Bayern now.

But when thing went wrong, they asked what the hell the team, the training staff... were doing then got blame for their not good result.

Happened to Barca this season already.
 

Porque

Senior Member
I don't know if Milan Lab back then checked their player lactate... Maybe they did or maybe not.

The fact here is science has been used in football training for decades. Other teams have done it in the past and achieved success. People praised them just exactly like how you praise Bayern now.

But when thing went wrong, they asked what the hell the team, the training staff... were doing then got blame for their not good result.

Happened to Barca this season already.

I'll tell you one thing though. Milan lab back then definitely did check the lactating of house wives and soccer mum's.

Maldini, Nesta and Inzaghi, that's a generation of wives joining their husbands to watch the game coz "they like the way they play" right there.
 
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Temptation

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What Flickball does to a defender @jamrock @Messigician @Iniesta Ultra 😭 😭

IΓ±igo MartΓ­nez said he used to struggle to sleep after matches because of the stress of holding the defensive line. And you? Gerard Martin: β€œHonestly, I also find it really hard to sleep after our games. With the level of focus & stress involved it takes hours before I can finally switch off.”
 

jamrock

Senior Member
I'm not surprised, it's a system that gives the defenders 0 room for error.

Imagine each time you make a mistake that's a clear 1v1 with the keeper, I would be stressed too
 

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