Hans-Dieter Flick

Hansi Flick - how do we rate him?

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khaled_a_d

khaled_a_d

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serghei said:
It is different for me. There were quality players in that EV side, that with some proper moves, including from EV... winning more should have been achieved.

EV was soft as hell. Good tactically overall, but he really lacked the edge to push things. He avoided any type of conflict like the plague.

There was a managerial problem as well at the time. Some of the hate was exaggerated, and I tie this to how we lost vs Roma and Liverpool more than anything else... but you can't tell me that side couldn't have done better under a more skilled manager. Seriously, there's no way that Liverpool match who defined the EV tenure can't be put down on the manager. And say losing 4-0 vs an injury ridden Liverpool was best that could have been done at the time.
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It is an analogy mate, it doesn't have to be an identical situation.

PS: You can always do better with better manager, that can be said about almost anyone. Including Flick himself.

I always said the way we lost defined EV era. Losing 4-3 against Liverpool wasn't a problem, they were always the better side. Losing 4-0 after being up 3 goals was a big deal. I don't think anyone can disagree

But that squad, under no circumstances, should have been considered CL contenders. Other than old Messi and Alba, no one was really still in his best years still. Well, Ter Stegen maybe, but he was a consistent underperformer in Europe.
 
serghei

serghei

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I know it is an analogy, but for me it doesn't work on multiple levels. One situation doesn't have much to do with another. Almost everything is different. Club spending on transfers, wages offered, experience in CL, player quality. That one was a team full of older winners, many of them CL winners before, this one is full of inexperienced youngsters. Extremely different.

I personally find it much easier this time to accept lower expectations. Uncomparable. Those years, with how much we invested, with the wages we offered, to lose like we lost in CL was frankly an embarassment.
 
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serghei

serghei

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khaled_a_d said:
But that squad, under no circumstances, should have been considered CL contenders. Other than old Messi and Alba, no one was really still in his best years still. Well, Ter Stegen maybe, but he was a consistent underperformer in Europe.
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It is also about luck of the draw. That squad should not have conceded 4 vs a Liverpool missing both Salah and Firminho.

I mean, when you go from 3-0 to 0-4 in 7 days, that's usually a sign the manager is questionable. And of course he was, not like EV is very used to play for CL finals is he?

Problem was EV was neither feared, nor really respected. He was liked.
 
khaled_a_d

khaled_a_d

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serghei said:
I personally find it much easier this time to accept lower expectations. Uncomparable. Those years, with how much we invested, with the wages we offered, to lose like we lost in CL was frankly an embarassment.
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The fact that you keep bringing the CL only proves it is a valid analogy. You don't mention winning La Liga as an absolute successful achievement during that year.

You yourself said at the time "if we win La liga every year, why would we consider it achievement."

The same is likely happening this year, with several fans blaming Flick for losing against PSG, and would be on his throat if we lose La Liga, or even lose in CL.

Plenty of fans are expecting Flick to build on what he achieved, rather than accepting a step back is the more likely scenario.
 
serghei

serghei

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khaled_a_d said:
The fact that you keep bringing the CL only proves it is a valid analogy. You don't mention winning La Liga as an absolute successful achievement during that year.

You yourself said at the time "if we win La liga every year, why would we consider it achievement."

The same is likely happening this year, with several fans blaming him for losing against PSG, and would be on his throat if we lose La Liga, or even lose in CL.

Plenty of fans are expecting Flick to build on what he achieved, rather than accepting a step back is the more likely scenario.
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No, because I repeat, when you are one of the biggest spenders and have bigger players, the expectations are higher. Getting trashed consistently in CL is underperformance.

I would need to see some 300m invested into this team. And then if we can't be one of the top dogs for CL... that would be underperformance also. From everyone, Laporta, Deco, Flick.

I also don't agree with the idea that the squad going to shit (wasn't shit, just challenging to work with, but let's go with this) under a manager is not on the manager. Having a squad a manager sees as fit for his plans is key part. Shaping the squad is part of the manager's responsabilities.
 
jamrock

jamrock

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This is the team mister lost 3-0 to, after being up 4-1, in a very easy CL path to the final

They managed to do the one thing we couldn't vs Liverpool, get any away goal.

Barto was an idiot, abidal was useless, but we got some lay ups in the CL during mister's time in charge and failed.

Largely because of him, not totally but he takes the majority of the responsibility.
 
iniestaGOAT

iniestaGOAT

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Bu bu bu I thought they said all these injuries happened cause of XAVI's training methods and hand picked medical team.

DO SOMETHING LAPORTA.

This season is about get fooked. We need Jan signings.
 
malvolio

malvolio

Senior Member
Calls for firing at Barca/Real are normal. Biggest clubs in the world, always was like that and always will be.

So if you want the biggest job in football management you better expect for standards to be high.

The fact that we hired more bums than Madrid is just our own stupidity.
 
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