Hans-Dieter Flick

[Maradona37]

Yes. It is more about creating a feel good atmosphere and there's more chances for individual quality to shine. I think 'no tactics' is an overstatement, but it's less tactical by a long way than club football.

In some ways though I like that - it connects back in to what I said about international football being somewhat more like past football - there's less chance to create super teams as you cannot just buy players (though obviously the traditional superpowers like France, Germany etc with most money and best academies will still dominate) and there's more room for individual expression. We sometimes see that at tournaments.

I guess an international analogue of a Brighton or a Brentford might be Ecuador or Japan - traditionally smaller entities who have emerged in this century via good scouting/development and intelligent investment and a real hunger to improve to a good level and improve its football culture. Albeit not to the elite level like Argentina, France, Spain, Liverpool, Man City or Barcelona.

Thoughts @Porque?

 

[Maradona37]

So true.

This is why Flick doesn't work in International Football.

International Football is completely different for managers. That's why Southgate is a good international manager but terrible club manager.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1976270611279163866

Also Nesta is the greatest CB I have ever seen alongside one other CB. I'm too young for Baresi.

I know you aren't talking to me, but have you seen the 'Rio is better than Nesta' thread on Redcafe? The copium is unreal. As bad as their copium and underrating of Van Dijk (who I assume you are referring to there, either him or Maldini).

 

[jaype]

Kinda agreed, it's more about mitigating the other team's strengths.

 

[jamrock]

So basically if the system is played to perfection we will win, so we have to be perfect for 40+ games?.

That's not the issue the issue is what happens when it's not played perfectly, what's the plan A+

 

[Porque]

Yes. It is more about creating a feel good atmosphere and there's more chances for individual quality to shine. I think 'no tactics' is an overstatement, but it's less tactical by a long way than club football.

In some ways though I like that - it connects back in to what I said about international football being somewhat more like past football - there's less chance to create super teams as you cannot just buy players (though obviously the traditional superpowers like France, Germany etc with most money and best academies will still dominate) and there's more room for individual expression. We sometimes see that at tournaments.

I guess an international analogue of a Brighton or a Brentford might be Ecuador or Japan - traditionally smaller entities who have emerged in this century via good scouting/development and intelligent investment and a real hunger to improve to a good level and improve its football culture. Albeit not to the elite level like Argentina, France, Spain, Liverpool, Man City or Barcelona.

Thoughts @Porque?

To an extent.

It's no coincidence that the national teams to excel are one of two versions

1) majority core positions in a single club so that they play a simplified version of club football with those players holding the core tactically and the rest slotting in. Best example is Xavi Spain.

2) Generational team. One that has stuck together through the youth development system (France 98-2002) or one that has stuck the core together from many international tournaments (Argentina of Messi, but started around. 2012/14 without the tournament triumphs).

Then there is a third category. Teams that organise prolonged training camps to artificially create this like Morocco.

And it is why England play so basic and despite having the talent never really crossed over to International football.

Southgate got closest (rather obviously), but I think that his downfall was that he tried to play too English. The team should have looked to how the Argies done it and held it tight in midfield and defence and focus on quick balls to the wings and box.

Alas, not that I'm complaining. Not at all.

 

[Maradona37]

To an extent.

It's no coincidence that the national teams to excel are one of two versions

1) majority core positions in a single club so that they play a simplified version of club football with those players holding the core tactically and the rest slotting in. Best example is Xavi Spain.

2) Generational team. One that has stuck together through the youth development system (France 98-2002) or one that has stuck the core together from many international tournaments (Argentina of Messi, but started around. 2012/14 without the tournament triumphs).

Then there is a third category. Teams that organise prolonged training camps to artificially create this like Morocco.

And it is why England play so basic and despite having the talent never really crossed over to International football.

Southgate got closest (rather obviously), but I think that his downfall was that he tried to play too English. The team should have looked to how the Argies done it and held it tight in midfield and defence and focus on quick balls to the wings and box.

Alas, not that I'm complaining. Not at all.

Yeah agree, really good post.

 

[Porque]

Just to add. Nesta was a stud an knew infinity more about football than me.

But I think he's contextualed this in his Italian football era where the team played defence first and basic af.

 

[Porque]

Yeah agree, really good post.

The worry is that England are now in that phase that Argentina were in around 2020. And they got a damn good manager too.

With Big Orange heading the US, the WC there and England backing the Zions through hell or high water, I wouldn't at all be surprised if they got all the help they need to get their WC.

 

[Maradona37]

The worry is that England are now in that phase that Argentina were in around 2020. And they got a damn good manager too.

With Big Orange heading the US, the WC there and England backing the Zions through hell or high water, I wouldn't at all be surprised if they got their WC.

You must be Welsh to hate the English NT as much as I do

 

[Maradona37]

Also, imagine them heading into their own tournament as hosts as World Champions? @Porque

Grotesque

 

[Porque]

You must be Welsh to hate the English NT as much as I do

Spanish. But I guess that qualifies as looking Welsh judging by half of their rugby team.

I was in England the time that they knocked us out of the Euro 96. Bunch of dodgy decisions too.

But what really pissed me off. Is that they won the game and the fuckin hooligans still burned the Spanish flags at the local Spanish restaurant.

The hate probably stems from there

 

[Maradona37]

Spanish. But I guess that qualifies as looking Welsh judging by half of their rugby team.

I was in England the time that they knocked us out of the Euro 96. Bunch of dodgy decisions too.

But what really pissed me off. Is that they won the game and the fuckin hooligans still burned the Spanish flags at the local Spanish restaurant.

The hate probably stems from there

Aye they are dafties. Hooligans.

I am surprised man - you talk and have the patter and language of a Brit. Are you half Spanish half British? It makes sense though that a Barca fan would come from Spain.

Obviously you don't have to say if you don't wanna reveal personal details. I don't want you to doxx yourself lol.

 

[Temptation]

I find it highly disappointing that the WC doesn't have a Greece/Leicester story in the modern era.

It's always one of the big favourites winning it in my lifetime.

 

[Maradona37]

Also, yeah I remember that game. Wasn't a Spanish goal incorrectly ruled out?

 

[Porque]

Aye they are dafties. Hooligans.

I am surprised man - you talk and have the patter and language of a Brit. Are you half Spanish half British? It makes sense though that a Barca fan would come from Spain.

Obviously you don't have to say if you don't wanna reveal personal details. I don't want you to doxx yourself lol.

Get back to ya sometime over a dm.