Hans-Dieter Flick

[serghei]

Nah. I see it more as we had a very bad week so let's run up some Xavi revisionism.

Do Frenkie.

Meh. When I pointed to sily errors by players under Xavi that cost us in bad games, you guys refused the argument.

Now it's out again.

Pique, Araujo, Garcia defending like clowns was on the manager back then. Araujo red vs PSG was on Xavi also, hilariously. If he does it under Flick, it's poor Flick, he doesn't have a top squad.

Flipy flopy.

Also, the money Xavi spent didn't just evaporate. Flick is benefiting from those invesments. How come a smart person like yourself can't see how ridiculous that argument is?

 

[serghei]

Xavi and Flick both knew what were or are the defficiencies of the team. Just took differrent routes to tackle them, knowing that the club can't go on the market like a regular club to deal with them in the best way.

And while their approach was different, the defficiencies are very much still visible the moment we meet teams that have the quality to exploit them. You can pick and choose results and make them look better or worse, this fact remains. All you can do is let a good manager work at things for as long as motivation and positive attitude is there.

 

[Porque]

Meh. When I pointed to sily errors by players under Xavi that cost us in bad games, you guys refused the argument.

Now it's out again.

Pique, Araujo, Garcia defending like clowns was on the manager back then. Araujo red vs PSG was on Xavi also, hilariously. If he does it under Flick, it's poor Flick, he doesn't have a top squad.

Flipy flopy.

Also, the money Xavi spent didn't just evaporate. Flick is benefiting from those invesments. How come a smart person like yourself can't see how ridiculous that argument is?

Of course Flick is benefitting from the quality of the squad.

The whole point of Xavi sacking was because he couldnt maximise it anymore and felt it couldn't compete without signings.

The only thing Flick and Xavi would have in common is if this past week becomes the norm and Flick continues to struggle this season. Started imploding, getting himself sent off, etc.

Btw

Obviously Araujo wasn't on the manager but perhaps how the game went after that, with Xavi getting himself sent off was.

Just as Paris last week was on Flick for seeing PSGs changes and deciding it was ok to bring on Bernal. Even if PSG were better second half, the game looked like heading to a draw until we gave them a man advantage.

I just don't see how Flick and Xavi can be compared as managerial talents.

 

[Barcaman]

Rubbish post. See we're back at trashing Xavi for some stupid arguments. Barcaforum's favorite sport.

That United we lost to I think finished 3rd in EPL that season.

Losing to Madrid 4-0 can happen. Madrid back then won CL in 2022, and won CL again in 2024, while we were rebuilding the team. We also won 4-0 ourselves on Bernabeu, conveniently ignored.

Speak like a man who didn't watch "football" Xavi's team produced.


It was total rubbish.

 

[serghei]

Speak like a man who didn't watch "football" Xavi's team produced.


It was total rubbish.

I didn't have a problem with it. Overall it was good progress. 3 years of not winning the league and then finally getting it done, an important moment for this generation. For quite a few players it was their first big title.

 

[Messi983]

Hansi Flick talked with all the players on Sunday and Monday before taking few days off until the upcoming Monday for personal reasons. The coach believes that beyond the physical strain of playing 7 matches in 21 days, the team needs a mental break. Flick sees this break as an opportunity to disconnect, reset, and return to full strength with the goal of facing the next games with strength and continuing to compete for all the titles at stake. Starting from Monday, he wants everyone focused and to have turned the page on this poor start to October. It's time to react and get back to winning ways. Via (): @martinezferran [md]

cheap talk, let's see what he'll actually do.

Though I expect we'll start to play better when Lamine is back and then ofc people will credit Hansi for that.

 

[Barcaman]

I didn't have a problem with it. Overall it was good progress. 3 years of not winning the league and then finally getting it done, an important moment for this generation. For quite a few players it was their first big title.

Cool. Lost me at "didn't have problem with it". Carry on

 

[iniestaGOAT]

FLICK needs to win the CL if he wants to be seen as better than XAVI.
Right now they are even.

Of course flick ball lickers disagree but thats to be expected.

 

[Temptation]

FLICK needs to win the CL if he wants to be seen as better than XAVI.
Right now they are even.

Of course flick ball lickers disagree but thats to be expected.

Cry

 

[Porque]

FLICK needs to win the CL if he wants to be seen as better than XAVI.
Right now they are even.

Of course flick ball lickers disagree but thats to be expected.

So he is better than Xavi then

 

[jamrock]

This Xavi, who had a Golden Ball winner, and Barto, who signed a Golden Ball winner, has to stop.

Did Dembele win a Golden Ball at Barca?
Did he ever show he remotely could?
We won a league title, and one of the reasons was we got the best Dembele ever while at Barca when he was fit.

Instead of talking nonsense about what Dembele did two years after leaving Barcelona, why don't we instead look at his time at the club and give Xavi credit for getting the best out of him during his time here?

That line of argument just gets under my skin, especially when some try to use it as a justification for Barto, oh, he signed a player that won the Golden Ball 6+ years later at a totally different club after failing at Barca over and over again.

The only manager at Barca that got something out of him? Xavi.

Let's compare Xavi vs. Flick's time at Barca after 2.5-3 seasons.

Xavi wasn't perfect; he was an inexperienced manager, but he:

Took us over in 9th and got us to 2nd.

Won the league.

Was a red card away from a CL SF and played PSG the best many Barca managers have done in years, including Flick.

Rejuvenated the squad massively, without Xavi their would be no current Barca or flick

For all the talk of Madrid performances, I remember a 4-1 vs. Madrid, a 3-1 vs. Madrid. If memory serves me right, he ended with a positive result vs. Madrid, but all some will talk about is the one big loss.

Let's see if flick will be riding high after 2.5-3 year as our coach, I sure hope so

 

[iniestaGOAT]

Lets not forget FLICK had the easiest CL draw in the history of football,
And still could not make it to the finals

Hes a total AMATEUR

 

[Birdy]

You must have some selective understanding capabilities. Xavi won a league title also, and failed in similar fashion vs Inter, PSG caliber teams, and with a weaker, more inexperienced squad.

Results are not that different. One big title each, CL results are good vs smaller level teams but not impressive enough vs bigger sides. 1 notable win each vs top 6 teams, Xavi 3-2 vs PSG, Flick 4-1 vs Bayern in Europe.

We are yet to see serious improvements and gain consistency vs bigger level teams. Failed in 3 games vs top rated opponents.

You have the audacity to talk about selective understanding, when you purposefully omit to mention:

- Xavi being humiliated in Europe by the likes of Eintracht Frankfurt, kicked out twice in the group stage of CL, kicked out by UTD in the R32 of Europa League, and receiving 10-0 in total by Bayern Munich
- while also being carried to a league title by Stegen and BACK-line, with Mourino-esque football full of 1-0s, unable to exert even minimal dominance in games

You also forgot that Flick did domestic sweep of titles (something Xavi will never do in his life), that he reached CL semis (something Xavi will never do in his life), and he coached football Xavi will never coach in his life

Keep clowning yourself

 

[Birdy]

This Xavi, who had a Golden Ball winner, and Barto, who signed a Golden Ball winner, has to stop.

Did Dembele win a Golden Ball at Barca?
Did he ever show he remotely could?
We won a league title, and one of the reasons was we got the best Dembele ever while at Barca when he was fit.

Instead of talking nonsense about what Dembele did two years after leaving Barcelona, why don't we instead look at his time at the club and give Xavi credit for getting the best out of him during his time here?

That line of argument just gets under my skin, especially when some try to use it as a justification for Barto, oh, he signed a player that won the Golden Ball 6+ years later at a totally different club after failing at Barca over and over again.

The only manager at Barca that got something out of him? Xavi.

Let's compare Xavi vs. Flick's time at Barca after 2.5-3 seasons.

Xavi wasn't perfect; he was an inexperienced manager, but he:

Took us over in 9th and got us to 2nd.

Won the league.

Was a red card away from a CL SF and played PSG the best many Barca managers have done in years, including Flick.

Rejuvenated the squad massively, without Xavi their would be no current Barca or flick

For all the talk of Madrid performances, I remember a 4-1 vs. Madrid, a 3-1 vs. Madrid. If memory serves me right, he ended with a positive result vs. Madrid, but all some will talk about is the one big loss.

Let's see if flick will be riding high after 2.5-3 year as our coach, I sure hope so

You are two guys that refuse to take a simple L of your shitty takes, and drag and tire the whole thread with strawmans and false narratives

- 'Took us in the 9th'
another common propagandist lie. Positions are not determined in October, and Koeman left us 3rd in the league (20/21) and Copa del Rey winners. That's where Xavi took over

- 'a red card away from cL SF'
No we weren't. PSG were thumping us in that game even 11 vs 11, it was pretty sure we would be out in any case, for anyone having impartial eyes

- 'rejuvenated the squad'
with 200m lever-money ill spent

GEt a grip...

PS: But you are right in at least something: let's compare Xavi and Flick after 2.5 years.
And with Flick getting 200m transfers of his liking next summer.
Yes, if that happens, we can make the comparion.
but it is already in favor of Flick without the 200m in transfers

 

[serghei]

You have the audacity to talk about selective understanding, when you purposefully omit to mention:

- Xavi being humiliated in Europe by the likes of Eintracht Frankfurt, kicked out twice in the group stage of CL, kicked out by UTD in the R32 of Europa League, and receiving 10-0 in total by Bayern Munich
- while also being carried to a league title by Stegen and BACK-line, with Mourino-esque football full of 1-0s, unable to exert even minimal dominance in games

You also forgot that Flick did domestic sweep of titles (something Xavi will never do in his life), that he reached CL semis (something Xavi will never do in his life), and he coached football Xavi will never coach in his life

Keep clowning yourself

Frankfurt was in 2021-22, before key transfers were made. Try again. It's easy with you. The squad got seriously improved in the summer of 2022. After Xavi's first 5-6 months. Everyone should know this.

What a stupid argument to say he was carried by X or Y. This is children level like. Carried by defense means you set up a good defense. That's like saying Flick got carried by the attackers last season. Complete nonsense.

I said myself Flick is a better manager than Xavi. Try to stick with the arguments that are being made. You are the one who idolizes one and trashes the other, not me. Quite embarassing, but go for it.

It's irrelevant if you go out in groups vs teams like Bayern and Inter, or you go out in semifinals. Luck is luck. Xavi got bad luck in 2022-23 to be drawn in the same group with 1 objectively better team at the time in all levels in Bayern and Inter, who were a better than than the Inter Flick faced based on what they showed in the CL final that season vs the trashing vs PSG.