Hans-Dieter Flick

[JamDav1982]

Fake news.. folk were happy with Laporta sacked Xavi and gave him credit for doing it.

Xavi was a decent choice at time to give club back some personality but had run his course earlier than was gotten rid of.

Folk make out Xavi had it harder than he did.

Had a lot of emerging talent and spent the most of any coach in Spain in his time.

Midfield is the perfect example of it.. inherits Busquets, FDJ, Pedri, Gavi, Nico etc and then Fermin, Casado and Bernal coming through.

While he signs.. Kessie, Gundogan, Romeu and wanted that Argentine lad from Betis who cant get a game in EPL.

Same folk who claim Xavi had squad would struggle to compete with say 'dont fuck it up' about Flick while saying he needs to look how Alonso is doing things at Real etc.

Xavi did well. The job got too much for him and he was overly negative both in tactics and excuses more and more as many pointed out long before Laporta acted on it.

 

[Barcaman]

To be fair Barto left a Barca with..

Cubarsi, Araujo, Balde, Frenkie, Pedri, Gavi, Bernal, Casado, Fermin, Yamal etc

Can add many more..MATS, Pena, Mingueza, Todibo, Alba, Roberto, Nico, Busquets, Messi, Dembele, Trincao and more again.

Barcas best two players were players there before Laporta arrived.

The fact Barca have managed to have this level of squad is primarily due to players there before arrived and then players sold on.

The La Masia Laporta left was out dated and it took until 2014/15 for it to be sorted and producing players from young age again.

Laporta has also managed to lose two players in last 5 years that went on to win the balondor after they left.

Laporta has two players that could win balondor in future.. neither of whom he brought to club.

Problem is that many people don't like to be reminded of these things. Easier to look at world black and white. Bartomeu the boogeyman and Laporta the saint.

Think club of Barca stature, that very top, deserves very top management too. Capable, conscientious, hard-working directors. Laporta has the vision and instinct (hires good coaches) but otherwise is just winging everything.

Barca deserves and needs best. Particularly in these ultra competitive times.

 

[Porque]

Can't compare football to other corporate jobs.

If having a 20 year football career day in day out under world class managers, experiencing winning everything on the pitch is rated the same experience as a graduate then you missed the mark.

And even then Xavi had 3 years as experience as manager. It's just that he chose to have those three years at All Sad.

He arrived at Barca with more managerial experience than Pep and Lucho did basically.

 

[jamrock]

😂😂😂

Talk about white wash, Barto and Rosell fan boys have no shame, but thankfully everyone is wise to there games

Anyways not the place for this, but hilarious

 

[JamDav1982]

Folk moan

Can't compare football to other corporate jobs.

If having a 20 year football career day in day out under world class managers, experiencing winning everything on the pitch is rated the same experience as a graduate then you missed the mark.

I dont think anyone is making that claim.. who has said Barca need 'graduates'?

 

[JamDav1982]

😂😂😂

Talk about white wash, Barto and Rosell fan boys have no shame, but thankfully everyone is wise to there games

Anyways not the place for this, but hilarious

Cant reply with anything of relevance as all facts layed out.

There are no Barto 'fan boys' and not the point.

What the point is what Laporta was left to deal with but likes of you only want to make out he was left with nothing and built club from rubble.

The fact is Barca had a great group of players there and emerging.

Pedri and Yamal being prime examples.

Club has also made hundreds of millions from BLM and Barca Studios.. which Laporta praised previous board on.

Folk are giving a fair reflection of what was left with.. the good and bad likes of you cant handle that.

 

[Porque]

Folk moan


I dont think anyone is making that claim.. who has said Barca need 'graduates'?

Read this by Tora, who is from elsewhere around here, seemingly a very smart guy. But misses the mark here imo.

So strange to read digs towards Xavi time and time again. One would never even compare these two in any other job.

Xavi is like a graduate who just came out of university, through nepotism landed the CEO job of a giant but crumbling company who just lost its strongest ever asset (Messi) and somehow managed to get the company back up to winning ways after some bad years but ultimately couldn't sustain or keep improving quick enough as he lacked the experience.

Flick is just a proven CEO with 30 years of experience who first won the biggest price in the business as assistant CEO in 2014 and then won everything possible as the main CEO in 2020.

 

[JamDav1982]

Read this by Tora, who is from elsewhere around here, seemingly a very smart guy. But misses the mark here imo.

So strange to read digs towards Xavi time and time again. One would never even compare these two in any other job.

Xavi is like a graduate who just came out of university, through nepotism landed the CEO job of a giant but crumbling company who just lost its strongest ever asset (Messi) and somehow managed to get the company back up to winning ways after some bad years but ultimately couldn't sustain or keep improving quick enough as he lacked the experience.

Flick is just a proven CEO with 30 years of experience who first won the biggest price in the business as assistant CEO in 2014 and then won everything possible as the main CEO in 2020.

He is praising Xavi there and Xavi does have experience in football so doesnt fit what a 'graduate' is anyway.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Take the lead back, boss! 💯🔥

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Flick is already in my Eyes Top2 behind Lucho.

If he wins anything this season, while playing his Bombastic brand of football. He will be the Best to me.

Pep isnt in your top2? 👀

 

[ToranagaSama]

Can't compare football to other corporate jobs.

If having a 20 year football career day in day out under world class managers, experiencing winning everything on the pitch is rated the same experience as a graduate then you missed the mark.

And even then Xavi had 3 years as experience as manager. It's just that he chose to have those three years at All Sad.

He arrived at Barca with more managerial experience than Pep and Lucho did basically.

I disagree. If 20 years of playing experience would be really relevant for coaching ability then every player or at least majority of players from top teams would have to turn out great managers by default. That's clearly not the case though, not even for "intelligent" players. See Neville, Lampard, Pirlo (of all the players you'd think he knows how to "run" a game), Scholes (1 win in 18 games at Oldham). So "they played many years under some of the greatest managers and won it all" doesn't seem to matter much as coaching experience.

Also, how can anyone genuinenly claim that Pep didn't take over an insane team? Xavi and Iniesta dominated the European Championship in the very same year before Pep took over. In Aragones' 4-4-1-1 formation the midfield was called the "fantastic four" in Spain. Xavi came 5th in the Ballon d'Or ranking in 2008 at a time when small non goalscoring midfielders outside the Premier League weren't even seen as proper footballers by the mainstream. 7 of the top 10 in 2008 were forwards, if we count Steven Gerard as a huff and puff goalscoring attacking mid then make that 8 actually.

Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Eto'o were already far better and more proven players in and around their prime years in 2008 than current Pedri, De Jong, past it Lewandowski and 18 year old Yamal. Add to that Puyol's leadership and the addition of Dani Alves. There is no comparison. Only Busquets in 2008 qualifies as inexperienced and unproven player compareable to our players now or during Xavi's tenure.

 

[JamDav1982]

Xavi, Iniesta and Messi all went up a level under Pep.

Xavi and Iniesta were top players prior to Pep. Under Pep they became legendary and seen as best of all time in their positions by many.

Xavi almost left and Iniesta has also spoken about not being happy with his role before Pep.

Etoo scored more under Pep that season than had in the previous 2 put together.

Pep massively turned that Barca side around and who the players the game was built to for.

No one is trying to argue Xavis squad was better.. Pep also won everything he could and created best team ever.

Different expectations and different results.

Xavi had a squad with a lot of young talent and spent on top of that more than any other coach in Spain. Won 1 league title and fair play to him.

But any comparison to Pep is irrelevant really.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Folk make out like Xavi took over Barca with no players... far from true.

He inherited a lot of good players and more emerging that were important in his title win.

Midfield alone he came into Busquets, FDJ, Pedri, Gavi, Nico etc.

He on top of that spent more than any other manager in Spain in his time at Barca.

Barca lost Messi over a year before Xavi. Koeman had to deal with the hangover of that more so than Xavi a year later and probably should have won the double.

Also Pep absolutely did not take over Barca with 11 proven world class players.

Even the likes of Xavi and Iniesta were top talents but not held up to anywhere near the level they would become.

Koeman was ****** a lot but it's true he had it really rough. Those teams were terrible. Looking back at those lineups now make me feel sick.

Koeman was saying a lot of nonsense, but in reality maybe in some ways he did sacrifice himself for the club. Awful teams.

It's interesting looking back. Back then I saw Koeman just as a bit too whiny guy, but it's not like he was completely wrong.

 

[JamDav1982]

Koeman grouped the team together well after the summer and Messi not wanting to be there.

He had the toughest set up of any Barca managers in years and no proper pre season with it.

On top of that he was largely the spokesperson for the club as no President.

Did well to group the team and win the cup.. then got to point of needing to beat Granada to go top and the fluffed it.

Would have been better keeping Dembele at CF in that 3421 formation until the end but felt like tried to shoe horn Pique back in.

Dont agree the teams were terrible though. That team had two future balon dors in it and then likes of Pedri/FDJ when all were fit.