soul24rage
Senior Member
Don't fk it up
Hans-Dieter Flick
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JamDav1982
Senior Member
With Xavi it was all about Real being clear clear favs and having better players.
Now its 'dont fuck it up Flick'.
Usual.
Now its 'dont fuck it up Flick'.
Usual.
Fati_Future_BallonDor
Well-known member
Speaking before the game against Sociedad, the German coach was quizzed on Yamal. First asked if Yamal will play, Flick told a press conference: "Whether he's on the bench or starting, he'll get minutes."
Flick added that he was not concerned with worrying about any chance of a potential injury setback for the young winger. He stated: "We're glad he's back and we don't think about these things [re-injury]."
Questioned why his players seemingly pick up more injuries that other clubs, the Barcelona boss played down any suggestion that there was a reason. He said: "It's not normal for us, but some injuries happen. What we're doing is reviewing the situations to find some reasons; that's our job. We're a great team, and we analyse every game, training session... and we adapt."
Flick added that he was not concerned with worrying about any chance of a potential injury setback for the young winger. He stated: "We're glad he's back and we don't think about these things [re-injury]."
Questioned why his players seemingly pick up more injuries that other clubs, the Barcelona boss played down any suggestion that there was a reason. He said: "It's not normal for us, but some injuries happen. What we're doing is reviewing the situations to find some reasons; that's our job. We're a great team, and we analyse every game, training session... and we adapt."
If he defends the title under these circumstances. Unprecedented or at least on par with low point of early 00's, he will be remembered one of rhe best managers we had.
Shame the actual management of the club doesn't uphold fraction of his work ethic, sincerity and capability.
Shame the actual management of the club doesn't uphold fraction of his work ethic, sincerity and capability.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Took over a squad of players others claimed Real were far ahead of and won.
Was never the case.
Done it without the money Xavi got also.
Played Pedri in his best position and understands more how Torres/Raphinha etc need to play.
Valverde was better than Xavi.
Flick has been better than both.
Was never the case.
Done it without the money Xavi got also.
Played Pedri in his best position and understands more how Torres/Raphinha etc need to play.
Valverde was better than Xavi.
Flick has been better than both.
draconifire
NTC with a Positive attitude
Flick is already in my Eyes Top2 behind Lucho.
If he wins anything this season, while playing his Bombastic brand of football. He will be the Best to me.
If he wins anything this season, while playing his Bombastic brand of football. He will be the Best to me.
jamrock
Senior Member
Bridge too far tbh lol
There is a guy named cryuff, another named pep, rijkaard plus their is probably a few back in the olden days.
Good football & 2 league titles can't make you the best, we've had a lot of that before in our history, we've been in worse positions that at the point flick became manage.
Already won a League title 2 seasons before, very good squad on paper, when other managers came in and delivered what he did and more.
but I understand the personal choice.
The off the field stuff with the club and its finances is more a Barto being shit and Laporta being the goat, to put a squad together that's amongst the best in Europe, he doesn't get the credit for all that.
There is a guy named cryuff, another named pep, rijkaard plus their is probably a few back in the olden days.
Good football & 2 league titles can't make you the best, we've had a lot of that before in our history, we've been in worse positions that at the point flick became manage.
Already won a League title 2 seasons before, very good squad on paper, when other managers came in and delivered what he did and more.
but I understand the personal choice.
The off the field stuff with the club and its finances is more a Barto being shit and Laporta being the goat, to put a squad together that's amongst the best in Europe, he doesn't get the credit for all that.
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JamDav1982
Senior Member
To be fair Barto left a Barca with..
Cubarsi, Araujo, Balde, Frenkie, Pedri, Gavi, Bernal, Casado, Fermin, Yamal etc
Can add many more..MATS, Pena, Mingueza, Todibo, Alba, Roberto, Nico, Busquets, Messi, Dembele, Trincao and more again.
Barcas best two players were players there before Laporta arrived.
The fact Barca have managed to have this level of squad is primarily due to players there before arrived and then players sold on.
The La Masia Laporta left was out dated and it took until 2014/15 for it to be sorted and producing players from young age again.
Laporta has also managed to lose two players in last 5 years that went on to win the balondor after they left.
Laporta has two players that could win balondor in future.. neither of whom he brought to club.
Cubarsi, Araujo, Balde, Frenkie, Pedri, Gavi, Bernal, Casado, Fermin, Yamal etc
Can add many more..MATS, Pena, Mingueza, Todibo, Alba, Roberto, Nico, Busquets, Messi, Dembele, Trincao and more again.
Barcas best two players were players there before Laporta arrived.
The fact Barca have managed to have this level of squad is primarily due to players there before arrived and then players sold on.
The La Masia Laporta left was out dated and it took until 2014/15 for it to be sorted and producing players from young age again.
Laporta has also managed to lose two players in last 5 years that went on to win the balondor after they left.
Laporta has two players that could win balondor in future.. neither of whom he brought to club.
ToranagaSama
Active member
So strange to read digs towards Xavi time and time again. One would never even compare these two in any other job.
Xavi is like a graduate who just came out of university, through nepotism landed the CEO job of a giant but crumbling company who just lost its strongest ever asset (Messi) and somehow managed to get the company back up to winning ways after some bad years but ultimately couldn't sustain or keep improving quick enough as he lacked the experience.
Flick is just a proven CEO with 30 years of experience who first won the biggest price in the business as assistant CEO in 2014 and then won everything possible as the main CEO in 2020.
You would never compare 2 profiles like this in any other area of work.
A rookie manager who takes over a team that isn't filled with 11 proven world class players like Pep in 2008, Lucho in 2014 or Zidane in 2016 and actually turns around things for them with some pretty bang average and a lot of super young players while financially handicapped is actually so rare I don't even remember when this happened last time in the past 30 years. Mourinho at Porto maybe.
Xavi is like a graduate who just came out of university, through nepotism landed the CEO job of a giant but crumbling company who just lost its strongest ever asset (Messi) and somehow managed to get the company back up to winning ways after some bad years but ultimately couldn't sustain or keep improving quick enough as he lacked the experience.
Flick is just a proven CEO with 30 years of experience who first won the biggest price in the business as assistant CEO in 2014 and then won everything possible as the main CEO in 2020.
You would never compare 2 profiles like this in any other area of work.
A rookie manager who takes over a team that isn't filled with 11 proven world class players like Pep in 2008, Lucho in 2014 or Zidane in 2016 and actually turns around things for them with some pretty bang average and a lot of super young players while financially handicapped is actually so rare I don't even remember when this happened last time in the past 30 years. Mourinho at Porto maybe.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Folk make out like Xavi took over Barca with no players... far from true.
He inherited a lot of good players and more emerging that were important in his title win.
Midfield alone he came into Busquets, FDJ, Pedri, Gavi, Nico etc.
He on top of that spent more than any other manager in Spain in his time at Barca.
Barca lost Messi over a year before Xavi. Koeman had to deal with the hangover of that more so than Xavi a year later and probably should have won the double.
Also Pep absolutely did not take over Barca with 11 proven world class players.
Even the likes of Xavi and Iniesta were top talents but not held up to anywhere near the level they would become.
He inherited a lot of good players and more emerging that were important in his title win.
Midfield alone he came into Busquets, FDJ, Pedri, Gavi, Nico etc.
He on top of that spent more than any other manager in Spain in his time at Barca.
Barca lost Messi over a year before Xavi. Koeman had to deal with the hangover of that more so than Xavi a year later and probably should have won the double.
Also Pep absolutely did not take over Barca with 11 proven world class players.
Even the likes of Xavi and Iniesta were top talents but not held up to anywhere near the level they would become.
RedxMAK
Well-known member
Tbf, Pep did inherit a squad mainly composed of players who had a huge part in the 2006 Champions League win. Now I’m not saying they were all world class but it has to prove something.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Not really.
That 2006 team was built largely on Deco, Ronaldinho and Etoo and Messi.. when could stay fit long enough.
Of the starters in that 2006 final only Valdes, Puyol and Etoo were starters for Pep and all three massively improved under him to best form of their career even if Valdes did have a great final.
That 2006 team was built largely on Deco, Ronaldinho and Etoo and Messi.. when could stay fit long enough.
Of the starters in that 2006 final only Valdes, Puyol and Etoo were starters for Pep and all three massively improved under him to best form of their career even if Valdes did have a great final.
jamrock
Senior Member
I don't agree with all the wording but well said. @sama
The digs at Xavi are largely shadow laporta digs, to the point where now they try to make out that the success flick is having, is happening in a vacuum and not a continuation of a project, where he himself has said that and everyone with two working brain cells in football.
Also that's it's happening in spite of laporta not because of him.
But facts have a way of slapping narratives in the face.
Anyways flick is doing a wonderful job.
The digs at Xavi are largely shadow laporta digs, to the point where now they try to make out that the success flick is having, is happening in a vacuum and not a continuation of a project, where he himself has said that and everyone with two working brain cells in football.
Also that's it's happening in spite of laporta not because of him.
But facts have a way of slapping narratives in the face.
Anyways flick is doing a wonderful job.
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