Hans-Dieter Flick

Hansi Flick - how do we rate him?

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Donauwelle

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Loki said:
True and it will be more difficult than anything. Flick's football is extremly demanding physically and mentally. His second season at Bayern had already more problems than his first.
It'll be a near impossible task to maintain that physical output and keep the team fresh and healthy over the entire season at the same time, especially because we'll be the team to beat next season. Every small gear must work for this over the entire season, we can't afford players on the bench who can't help us win games like Fati and Pau this season. It'll be a huge task for Flick to even repeat this season and try to reach the CL final.

But there will be time enough for this talk, for now let's enjoy the here and now. Otherwise if you just look ahead, you forget to live in the moment and enjoy the results of one year of work.
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Hansi did not have a preparation for his first season at Bayern - only one for physical fitness after the Covid restart - and he did not have one between the CL tournament and his second season. And this second season had extra matches because of the late start and the Supercups, Club World Cup etc. We even had to play the 2nd or 3rd round of the coup on a Thursday at the end of the international break with the next match on Sunday.

You have a big advantage before the next season. All the other big teams are at the Club World Cup. The Bayern players have a week holiday after Saturdays match before they have the nations league finals and 5 days later Bayern flies to the USA. After the tournament there is maybe another week off until the prep for the season starts. And I think that Real Madrid and Atletico do not have a different schedule.

Whereas Barcelona - in difference to Flick's second year at Bayern and in difference to the big other teams - has a full preparations and the players can have four weeks holidays.

The second year was won with a 13 point advantage in the Bundesliga. We lost in the cup but that happens - and had injuries to various players against PSG but even with that should have won against them as we had a lot more chances.
 
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ToranagaSama

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Also something that has happened ONCE isn't exactly a pattern that is about to repeat. Barca's team is way too young to be "tired" only into a second season of a high pressing system. Yamal, Cubarsi, Balde, Pedri are 17, 18, 21 and 23. The rest is somewhere between 26 and 28 except Lewandowski. Tiredness should never be an issue unless the physio staff is doing a terrible job.
 
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FinBarcelonafan

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ToranagaSama said:
Also something that has happened ONCE isn't exactly a pattern that is about to repeat. Barca's team is way too young to be "tired" only into a second season of a high pressing system. Yamal, Cubarsi, Balde, Pedri are 17, 18, 21 and 23. The rest is somewhere between 26 and 28 except Lewandowski. Tiredness should never be an issue unless the physio staff is doing a terrible job.
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Flicks strategies are very tough on the players. That's why I think we need City type of team to compete on all fronts. Meaning not too much of a drop from the starter to bench player.
 
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Donauwelle

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I do not see that it is so overdemanding.
Overdemanding was Nagelsmann's play. The second halfs were much worse than the first ones - and if we did not lead from the start we physically weren't able to turn it again.
If I look into your stats it is a goal difference of 42-17 after the first half (you are 3rd in that table of the first 45 minutes) and if you only take the 2nd half it is 55:19 and are far better than Real Madrid.

If it would have been so overdemanding the players already would be more tired in the second halfs. The first 18 matches (of your 36 now) you had 50 to 20 goals and 38 points. The second 18 matches you have 47 to 16 and 47 points.

If being tired would be the biggest concern you would not have been better in the second half of matches and not better in the second half of the season...

What is great is when you have a midfield general that controls the timing - knows when to speed up a match and when you need to slow down and control the energy of the team - but Bayern did not really have that since Xabi Alonso or Schweinsteiger. Even Thiago did not.

Your Inter matches just showed that sometimes it is experience and the drive of a lost final makes the big difference.
 
Birdy

Birdy

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Donauwelle said:
Hansi did not have a preparation for his first season at Bayern - only one for physical fitness after the Covid restart - and he did not have one between the CL tournament and his second season. And this second season had extra matches because of the late start and the Supercups, Club World Cup etc. We even had to play the 2nd or 3rd round of the coup on a Thursday at the end of the international break with the next match on Sunday.

You have a big advantage before the next season. All the other big teams are at the Club World Cup. The Bayern players have a week holiday after Saturdays match before they have the nations league finals and 5 days later Bayern flies to the USA. After the tournament there is maybe another week off until the prep for the season starts. And I think that Real Madrid and Atletico do not have a different schedule.

Whereas Barcelona - in difference to Flick's second year at Bayern and in difference to the big other teams - has a full preparations and the players can have four weeks holidays.

The second year was won with a 13 point advantage in the Bundesliga. We lost in the cup but that happens - and had injuries to various players against PSG but even with that should have won against them as we had a lot more chances.
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100%

The Club World cup is a blessing in disguise for us.
Proper rest for everyone
Proper pre-season
 
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