Hans-Dieter Flick

[jamrock]

Can't say nothing about FLICK.
FLICK Can do no wrong.
Its the players fault.
Laporta's fault.
Deco's fault.
Fans fault.

Flick fanboys are a cult. We are fuckedddddd.

Goated

 

[serghei]

Here, at their first goal, why in the hell would you press Pacho there when it's obvious he has ample time and space to just execute a simple to Mendes, knowing that this is Mendes' biggest weapon, building up speed using his pace to break lines?

First, you don't press here because you don't have access to players you need to press, Mendes all alone. This is clear situation of positional defense, until you gain better access to press.

2nd error, if you absolutely are adamant about pressing, it's Ferran that needs to do it, and Lamine cuts the pass to Mendes. You don't have both Ferran and rashford near the same player, and Lamine in 1 vs 2.

3rd error, if Lamine does press here, he has to first move to his right and press Pacho from the direction of Mendes. So called curbed pressing path to both press the CB and try to have the fullback in your cover shadow, trying to take out the option of Pacho to simply play Mendes.

But no, Lamine goes straight, pass is not cut, Mendes has ample time to receive, he accelerates using his pace unbothered, blitzes through our stretched lines, pass and goal.

 

[jamrock]

It has to be demoralizing for the team to lose the advantage over Madrid, one week after picking it up and giving a performance that's equally as bad as what they did against Atleti, maybe even worse considering the opposition.

The PSG game had an effect, it seems. They have never been totally outplayed before; it was a new experience for them.

We have to try and shake it off before the clasico, because of we lose that the title is 60% Madrid.

 

[Horatio]

Here, at their first goal, why in the hell would you press Pacho there when it's obvious he has ample time and space to just execute a simple to Mendes, knowing that this is Mendes' biggest weapon, building up speed using his pace to break lines?

Cause if Lamine doesn't anything, Pacho will just wait to release the ball.

Same reason why keepers getting pressed even when they have ample time to shoot it long or do whatever.

 

[Horatio]

The PSG game had an effect, it seems. They have never been totally outplayed before; it was a new experience for them.

it might. Or just the first game where suffered from injuries playing and happen to play a topside.
Then go into Sevilla with even more injuries and is not unthinkable that Barca continues to struggle.

 

[serghei]

Compare it to this. Barcola looks at Kounde, sees he's open, and even though Garcia is gaining ground and moves on the ball, in a far more advanced positon than Pacho above, facing the game, Barcola still holds position and doesn't press here.

Because he knows the pass to Kounde is a simple one. It is likely gonna be made, and Kounde can pose problems considering this is Yamal's flank.

By comparison, Barca didn't judge it like that.

These situations I'd like to see resolved. Better judgment at combining instances of positional defense and pressing.

 

[serghei]

Cause if Lamine doesn't anything, Pacho will just wait to release the ball.

Same reason why keepers getting pressed even when they have ample time to shoot it long or do whatever.

That's much better than passing to a free Mendes. If Pacho sits on the ball, Torres can pick him up.

 

[Horatio]

That's much better than passing to a free Mendes. If Pacho sits on the ball, Torres can pick him up.

So then why look at Lamine if he is picking up on Torres not doing what he should?

But to be fair, then Lamine could have communicated it to Torres, maybe he did after dunno.

 

[Messi983]

Flashbacks to last season. Early signs of a black November.

 

[serghei]

So then why look at Lamine if he is picking up on Torres not doing what he should?

But to be fair, then Lamine could have communicated it to Torres, maybe he did after dunno.

Because if Torres is not doing X in that moment, Yamal should not be doing Y.

 

[Horatio]

Because if Torres is not doing X in that moment, Yamal should not be doing Y.

You mean, if Torres is not doing X then does not mean Yamal should do X?

 

[jamrock]

it might. Or just the first game where suffered from injuries playing and happen to play a topside.
Then go into Sevilla with even more injuries and is not unthinkable that Barca continues to struggle.

Want to use that has an excuse for PSG sure, who also has injuries and played 2 teenagers in attack, but sure.

Sevilla? No excuse that's a slightly uncomfortable 3 points for us.

2-1
3-2

Whatever the score, a win. With the XI we put out there

 

[serghei]

You mean, if Torres is not doing X then does not mean Yamal should do X?

I mean Torres not doing his move makes Yamal doing his move stupid, ineffective, frustrating, and energy consuming. These things should not happen as often as they do.

Look at this. Triggering the press, decent position to press. Check De Jong vs Hakimi. Almost man for man.

5 seconds later, poor Torres does the longest run, gets closest, everyone a mile off their markers. De Jong doesn't even try, breaks the entire setup, looks at how Hakimi all alone receives a 35m pass from the keeper.

Abysmal coordination, right hand doesn't know what the left hand does type of thing.

I don't agree with this type of pressing from the get go. Here again the keeper has numerous passing options, it's too energy consuming for what it can provide, cost outweighs the benefit type of thing. But if you still do it, at least do it with some coordination ffs. Go all in.

I can see a similar progression like the 1st goal if Hakimi is marked. Pass to open Pacho, Yamal presses him, pass to open Mendes, goes on a run in acres of space.

 

[serghei]

An example of a better pressing. Everyone pretty close, main passing options cut, keeper panics a bit and goes long ball out. Those are quite rare, even in the 1st half.

 

[Devils]

Give us Pique, Puyol, Alves, Alba and we would kill with the high line

A Ferrari would perform better than a Fiat.