Horatio
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But Mina had other plans.
Hans-Dieter Flick
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RedxMAK
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Amazing defence bro it’s not like we got obliterated by Roma and humiliated by Levante on the final day 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Messigician
Senior Member
Mina had other plans
RedxMAK
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Shouldn’t be the main cause
draconifire
NTC with a Positive attitude
Ok if I am correct, you are taking both LaLiga and UCL stats combined?
So, according to this, and also considering LaLiga stats I analyzed, it's somewhat the same picture.
Firstly, our GKs seldom ever outperform. Even when they do, it's not by that much. And we sometimes even outperform our xGA. LOL. That alone should have made the board look for better GKs and the Goalkeeping coach.
Secondly, I think the total SoTA data you have might be a bit faulty. Its either SoTA for all competition, but then GA is only LaLiga + UCL. We had 59 SoTA in UCL, 4.21 SoTA per game.
Its along the lines of what we usually have in UCL, 2020 & 2018 were better with 3.7 & 3.5 respectively, while 2019 & 2022 were quite a bit worse with 5.3 & 5 respectively.
Anywho, we both are at the same conclusion by the looks of it.
Our defensive structure seems to be generating almost the same SoTA as before, while also increasing our Goalscoring ability and control over the match.
IMO we should look for Taller and faster defenders. This with Garcia on goal, should vastly mitigate a lot of our problems.
Joan
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Honestly, a while back I wrote a small script and wanted to put it to use. That's the main reason behind the graphs
The issue is with xGA, expected goals data isn't available for the Supercopa (which I knew) nor for the Copa matches (which I didn't know). To keep things comparable, I calculated sums on subsets where both stats were available. I initially thought I was just missing Supercopa matches, but it turns out I'm also missing Copa matches.
I just used the full stats data sheets, so I didn't bother adjusting for SoTA.
I agreed with you from the start, just wanted to add xGA data to corroborate the assumptions.
I've always maintained that the biggest improvements could be made on CB and GK positions and the data seems to support that. With a new GK in the bag, Christensen on his way out, we might be in luck.
draconifire
NTC with a Positive attitude
Damn. Genius-level stuff.Honestly, a while back I wrote a small script and wanted to put it to use. That's the main reason behind the graphs
Thanks for that, though. Looks all professional and all. LOL
Hopefully Garcia deal is done soon.
The fanbase and the media outlets hopefully pick this up and start making noise. Without it, I don't think Deco will look for a CB.
And I would much rather lose Araujo than Christensen, but that's not going to happen.
Messigician
Senior Member
Flick is alright but he’s no special one
These were Mourinho’s scouting reports ahead of the 2006 Champions League clash between Chelsea and Barcelona🇵🇹🧠:
➤Ronaldinho: Dangerous between the lines. Very poor defensive work—exploit it. Constant cheater, falls easily.
➤Lionel Messi: Quality and speed, but very left-footed. Same behavior as Ronaldinho between the lines. Drives the team forward with ball control. Excellent in 1v1s. Foul him as early as possible.
➤Andrés Iniesta: Always comes off the bench. Very dynamic. Plays in many positions. Quick both in movement and execution. A tricky player.
➤Carles Puyol: Aggressive, but very emotional. Loses his cool when provoked. Ideal target for pressing. Poor positional awareness—follows attackers up to midfield. Weak defensive leadership, attempts offside traps at the wrong times.
➤Samuel Eto’o: Explosive and aggressive, with or without the ball. Presses hard and maintains intensity throughout the game. Shoots from anywhere without needing setup. Very strong defensively.
And Mourinho's record against Barça wasn't bad at all:
▪️Chelsea eliminated Barcelona on a 5–4 aggregate in 04/05 (Round of 16).
▪️Barcelona eliminated a 10-man Chelsea on a 3–2 aggregate in 05/06 (Round of 16).
▪️Chelsea beat Barcelona 1–0 and drew 2–2 in the 06/07 group stage.
These were Mourinho’s scouting reports ahead of the 2006 Champions League clash between Chelsea and Barcelona🇵🇹🧠:
➤Ronaldinho: Dangerous between the lines. Very poor defensive work—exploit it. Constant cheater, falls easily.
➤Lionel Messi: Quality and speed, but very left-footed. Same behavior as Ronaldinho between the lines. Drives the team forward with ball control. Excellent in 1v1s. Foul him as early as possible.
➤Andrés Iniesta: Always comes off the bench. Very dynamic. Plays in many positions. Quick both in movement and execution. A tricky player.
➤Carles Puyol: Aggressive, but very emotional. Loses his cool when provoked. Ideal target for pressing. Poor positional awareness—follows attackers up to midfield. Weak defensive leadership, attempts offside traps at the wrong times.
➤Samuel Eto’o: Explosive and aggressive, with or without the ball. Presses hard and maintains intensity throughout the game. Shoots from anywhere without needing setup. Very strong defensively.
And Mourinho's record against Barça wasn't bad at all:
▪️Chelsea eliminated Barcelona on a 5–4 aggregate in 04/05 (Round of 16).
▪️Barcelona eliminated a 10-man Chelsea on a 3–2 aggregate in 05/06 (Round of 16).
▪️Chelsea beat Barcelona 1–0 and drew 2–2 in the 06/07 group stage.
You missed one.
Tito Villanova: master tactician. Peps brain. But if he can't see he can't think. Recommended action: poke him in the eye.
Messigician
Senior Member
Lol
jamrock
Senior Member
If we sign Nico and a goal keeper, two of the 4 positions I wanted to see change next season, I only ask flick for three things.
1. More rotations in all lines.
2. More controlled possession, keep your counter attacking football, but sometimes we to just defend through possession.
3. No attacking when you're 1 goal up with 3 minutes to go in the CL SF lol.
1. More rotations in all lines.
2. More controlled possession, keep your counter attacking football, but sometimes we to just defend through possession.
3. No attacking when you're 1 goal up with 3 minutes to go in the CL SF lol.
MonteCuler
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System and philosophy got to stay the same because it has brought us very good results out of nowhere
But the mentality and approach have to change a little. Team is mentally strong, they never give up. But they should also never relax. More defensive mentality and more awareness about keeping the result, it's all we need.
I'm not worried about next season if this segment of the team is improved and Flick gets the desired signings. Alonso will have no business competing against a superior manager in that case.
But the mentality and approach have to change a little. Team is mentally strong, they never give up. But they should also never relax. More defensive mentality and more awareness about keeping the result, it's all we need.
I'm not worried about next season if this segment of the team is improved and Flick gets the desired signings. Alonso will have no business competing against a superior manager in that case.
FinBarcelonafan
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Quick centerback would be sick and LB and RB.
serghei
Senior Member
System and philosophy needs some work also. I don't want to ever see us exposing ourselves like idiots when match is in our control. Ever again under Flick. That would be a disaster and would make us look like clowns.
Flick football is very nice, but it's missing that pragmatism that all top managers implement at key moments. With that part missing completely, it will be tough for Flick to reach his peak.
And by peak I mean obviously winning CL and dominating the best teams. We failed this season vs Inter on the big occasion. So, if he is as ambitious as it gets, he will look to correct it. This can be done by signings in defense (top tier defenders deal with higher risk situations better than average defenders, rookies, or players with mental problems, which is basically our backline when Kounde is missing), but also by the manager.
This is the season of high polishing. The main theme is set, but some bolts and screws need some tighter fitting. What has me a bit worried is that Flick might be completely oblivious to this, or extremely confident in himself. Otherwise, we'd be chasing some CBs and fullbacks in this summer.
Improving the GK was due to happen, but we didn't lose vs Inter because of Scszesny, but because of fullbacks and CBs that were out of their depth at that level.
So... either invest in defense, or adjust the approach at times. No magic solution to fix this. Next season will he harder. Most top teams will be stronger, especially Madrid who will be out for blood to reclaim their lost title in Spain.
Flick football is very nice, but it's missing that pragmatism that all top managers implement at key moments. With that part missing completely, it will be tough for Flick to reach his peak.
And by peak I mean obviously winning CL and dominating the best teams. We failed this season vs Inter on the big occasion. So, if he is as ambitious as it gets, he will look to correct it. This can be done by signings in defense (top tier defenders deal with higher risk situations better than average defenders, rookies, or players with mental problems, which is basically our backline when Kounde is missing), but also by the manager.
This is the season of high polishing. The main theme is set, but some bolts and screws need some tighter fitting. What has me a bit worried is that Flick might be completely oblivious to this, or extremely confident in himself. Otherwise, we'd be chasing some CBs and fullbacks in this summer.
Improving the GK was due to happen, but we didn't lose vs Inter because of Scszesny, but because of fullbacks and CBs that were out of their depth at that level.
So... either invest in defense, or adjust the approach at times. No magic solution to fix this. Next season will he harder. Most top teams will be stronger, especially Madrid who will be out for blood to reclaim their lost title in Spain.
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