FC Barcelona Finances

[serghei]

The problem is Barcelona will have much higher expenses than Madrid due to bad management for many years. We won't really go big on the market like signing multiple 100m players anytime soon.

Galactico model is over for us for many years. Only idiots like Rosell and Bartomeu though themselves they are some kind of Florentino Perez. Clowns.

Florentino did not like Ronaldo getting greedy and demanding too high wages at an old age and told him to pack his bags and fuck off. Banked in 100m, 7 profit from his 93m transfer from United. For a 33 year old player.

 

[Windhook]

Yeah, that's it. We'll keep repaying Barto era debts for many years to come. There's no short term solution, not even with finished Camp Nou. Unless more club assets are sold, but I hope the club doesn't get to a such point. That was shock therapy by Laporta in the first year.

It's maddening how the club was run recklessly, politics and popularity over club expenses for years.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Let's discard the stadium debt, as this is more investment.

What is Barca vs Madrid debt not counting stadium projects? Ours is well over 1bn. I read theirs is something like 40m not sure how legit it is.

Seen some sources saying Madrid's debt not counting the stadium loan is as low as 12m.

Also, did they sell 25% of their future TV rights for 25 years like us?

Real sold some other levers, but not TV rights.
But their official statement is that they have 12M non-stadium in debt, Barca hasn't been as transparent with their numbers, but estimated to be anything around 1B to 1.5B, tge difference itself is staggering.

You have to wonder what is the plan to pay most of that debt until we are capable of having healthy FFP margin.

What other option is there bar selling Pedri or Lamine though?

Healthier spending? Maybe even some short term sacrifices.
Because at some point, the Lamine and Pedri of the World won't be so happy playing at a club with such financial disadvantage, especially if we don't win a European title soon and that gaving ratification on their legacy.

 

[serghei]

Don't think selling off players is an answer. Revenue will tank and fall off a cliff.

The solution is to increase our revenue with Camp Nou as much as possible and starting paying off debt.

 

[Windhook]

There aren't many options left IMO. It's no longer 2001, when Florentino fixed their debt by selling the old training ground to corporations and built a new one on a land in what was then outskirts of Madrid.

 

[serghei]

Well, I avoided the no1 argument, but the solution is to sell the club. That's the easy solution with minimal implications.

 

[serghei]

Think people have this idea that a private ownership is gonna destroy La Masia and Barcelona philosophy but it won't. Astute business sense keeps the main assets of the club and simply ensures smoother operation, with a much much easier access to funds when it is really needed. Nobody is gonna invest at Barcelona with the plan to damage it's most prized assets.

 

[Windhook]

Well, I avoided the no1 argument, but the solution is to sell the club. That's the easy solution with minimal implications.

That's one of the desperate scenarios and what I mean - the Bayern model - Adidas/Audi/Allianz owning 25% of the club stakes. Selling the whole club could turn into a complete cultural revolution in Catalonia.

 

[Barcaman]

That's one of the desperate scenarios and what I mean - the Bayern model - Adidas/Audi/Allianz owning 25% of the club stakes. Selling the whole club could turn into a complete cultural revolution in Catalonia.

Really? They had those demonstrations for independence or whatever and settled down quick. They strike me as meek and timid bunch. Don't think they care much.

 

[Windhook]

Really? They had those demonstrations for independence or whatever and settled down quick. They strike me as meek and timid bunch. Don't think they care much.

What I mean is they need to hold a referendum to sell 100% of the club. Socios might be cowards about Catalan independence, fearing police batons, but voting is a different matter.

 

[serghei]

Not sure non-majority ownership at Barcelona would work.

And I generally am pretty pessimistic whenever large groups of people vote based on media stories.

For me socio model is a failure. It works in some type of romantic way. But is extremely unpractical.

 

[Barcaman]

What I mean is they need to hold a referendum to sell 100% of the club. Socios might be cowards about Catalan independence, fearing police batons, but voting is a different matter.

They can easily frame it like saving the club, run cheap media campaign and those old-timers will eat it up. For better or worse. Not saying it would be best solution.

 

[serghei]

A good chunk would probably sell their vote like they sold tickets to Frankfurt fans.

I don't see any sign that the emotional attachment to Barcelona from its fans is greater than Liverpool or other big clubs who are fully or partially owned. Quite the contrary.

 

[Windhook]

I don't think these are good comparisons. Tickets vs. voting rights for a cultural institution which is FC Barcelona.

The likely scenario is selling a portion of the club, like I gave the Bayern scenario.

 

[serghei]

But I suppose you can increase revenue, and make enough FFP space to sign some good players without going crazy. Garcia is a great example.