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Jenks

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I saw the podcast, I think Rooney took exception to the idea that their generation didn't work or fight hard enough, which I don't think was really Gerrard's point.
 

Jenks

Senior Member
He's probably right about the players being friends stuff and that the team was set up wrong, but I think he's looking at the squad with too much of a modern lens to say that there talent wasn't there in certain positions to win anything. It wasn't really an era where you couldn't do anything without wide forwards and I would argue that isn't neccessarily even true today.

The biggest problem was trying to fit Owen, Rooney, Gerrard and Lampard into the same team. If Owen starts then Rooney plays wide left or sits on the bench. If Gerrard starts then Lampard doesn't. It should have been as simple as that.

James
Neville Rio Terry A. Cole
Carrick Scholes
Beckham Gerrard J. Cole
Rooney​

That team would not have been the best in the world on paper but it would have been a realistic contender if nothing else.
 

Temptation

Well-known member
He's probably right about the players being friends stuff and that the team was set up wrong, but I think he's looking at the squad with too much of a modern lens to say that there talent wasn't there in certain positions to win anything. It wasn't really an era where you couldn't do anything without wide forwards and I would argue that isn't neccessarily even true today.

The biggest problem was trying to fit Owen, Rooney, Gerrard and Lampard into the same team. If Owen starts then Rooney plays wide left or sits on the bench. If Gerrard starts then Lampard doesn't. It should have been as simple as that.

James
Neville Rio Terry A. Cole
Carrick Scholes
Beckham Gerrard J. Cole
Rooney​

That team would not have been the best in the world on paper but it would have been a realistic contender if nothing else.
It's pretty simple.

Brazil NT was clearly better in 2002 and Italy NT was clearly better in 2006. Even on paper.

By 2010, the "golden generation" was washed and the team was mediocre.
 

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
Beckham was great during that time, Beckham is what? 3 years older than Lampard? He wasn't a finished player.

England peaked in 2002, but they faced one of the best teams in the history of the WC, no one knew at the time, though.

2006 team was the one that looked good on paper but bad as a functioning one
 

Porque

Senior Member
Weren't England pretty much better than Brazil in that game though, but come up against a couple of wonder goals.

With the long range Dinho strike being a goal that only two goalkeepers in the history of football would concede. A shot David Seaman, and Matias Ter Stegen.
 

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