England

[Tyler]

Your opinion

I see he disappears every big game and is usually very easily contained by top teams. His history in CL with Bayern and Spurs, as well as big games with national team approve what I see

We still want Lewandowski gone, most of us, but I don't see how is it related to this discussion

Palmer definitely a great player, and you are right 6 months ago I'd likely have him in top 10 - but we are talking strictly of this moment

Kane has scored against Barcelona, Real Madrid, PSG, Inter Milan, Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea etc. In Germany he has scored against Dortmund and Leverkusen who are Bayern's biggest rivals. Are they not considered big games? For England, he has goals against France, Germany, Netherlands, Italy and Croatia. Not big games? If you're talking about finals only then you should clarify that. But you're talking about less than a handful of games, if so.

What next, are you going to say he's a penalty merchant? Despite the fact that almost 80% of his career goals are from open play? 😂 To make that easier for you to understand, for every 10 goals he scores, only 2 are from set-pieces taken by him.

 

[MonteCuler]

Kane has scored against Barcelona, Real Madrid, PSG, Inter Milan, Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea etc. In Germany he has scored against Dortmund and Leverkusen who are Bayern's biggest rivals. Are they not considered big games? For England, he has goals against France, Germany, Netherlands, Italy and Croatia. Not big games? If you're talking about finals only then you should clarify that. But you're talking about less than a handful of games, if so.

What next, are you going to say he's a penalty merchant? Despite the fact that almost 80% of his career goals are from open play? 😂 To make that easier for you to understand, for every 10 goals he scores, only 2 are from set-pieces taken by him.

Those are not games that decide anything. Big game is not just game played against big club

He's too much of a big game choker to be regarded best striker in the world. Nevermind his skillset, which is not on that level either. But 2 euro finals totally invisible, WC quarters against France missed penalty, did nothing against Inter over two legs this season.. and many more, if you wish

 

[Tyler]

Those are not games that decide anything. Big game is not just game played against big club

He's too much of a big game choker to be regarded best striker in the world. Nevermind his skillset, which is not on that level either. But 2 euro finals totally invisible, WC quarters against France missed penalty, did nothing against Inter over two legs this season.. and many more, if you wish

He literally scored against Inter. He also converted one of his two penalties against France, and the one he missed is the last time he hasn't converted a penalty. You're talking utter rot. Also, any time you play a big team in a knockout game, it's clearly a big game. And who's skillset does he not compare to? Lewandowski? 😂

 

[jamrock]

England are great, they've been to two finals and WC SF.

In that time Spain, France and Argentina have actually.

But this is England we're talking about, so winning isn't included.

Kane top 10 in the world? Based off what last season?, the last 10 seasons? What's the measuring stick

 

[soul24rage]

Wharton and Palmer needs to be the undisputed starters for England.

 

[Tyler]

Wharton and Palmer needs to be the undisputed starters for England.

Wharton should have been in the team 2 years ago. He's the perfect foil to Rice, as what Rice isn't particularly good at, Wharton is. Team should be something like -

Pickford (will be Trafford next)

James (when actually fit)
Stones (still our best CB when fit)
Guehi
Livramento (Miles-Skelly needs more baking in the oven)

Wharton
Rice
 Eze

Saka
Palmer

Bellingham

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Kane, and he still score goals for years to come. But his lack of any sort of pressing ability, and lack of pace, really takes away from England's strengths on the transition.

I always hate leaving Foden out, but Pep has moulded him into too much of a one dimensional system player that needs everything to be a certain way around him to fully function.

 

[RedxMAK]

I couldn’t find the thread for English football but I want to know

Despite the insane dominance by English clubs in the European cup starting from 1976-77 until 1984-85, how come England didn’t perform well in any international tournament in that time span.

I mean when I say dominance I mean dominance, let me show you how -

1976-77 - Liverpool 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
1977-78 - Liverpool 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
1978-79 - Nottingham Forest 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
1979-80 - Nottingham Forest 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
1980-81 - Liverpool 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
1981-82 - Aston Villa 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
1982-83 - Hamburg 🇩🇪
1983-84 - Liverpool 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
1984-85 - Juventus 🇮🇹 (Liverpool was in the final)

Yes you could say it was mostly Liverpool’s dominance in the European Cup but how come 3 different English clubs won in a period of 9 years. 6 European Cups in England in 9 years and the European Cup staying in England for 6 years in a row. Even Spain didn’t match this with Madrid’s 4 in 5 and our treble with only 5 in a row.

 

[Maradona37]

I couldn’t find the thread for English football but I want to know

Despite the insane dominance by English clubs in the European cup starting from 1976-77 until 1984-85, how come England didn’t perform well in any international tournament in that time span.

I mean when I say dominance I mean dominance, let me show you how -

1976-77 - Liverpool 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
1977-78 - Liverpool 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
1978-79 - Nottingham Forest 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
1979-80 - Nottingham Forest 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
1980-81 - Liverpool 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
1981-82 - Aston Villa 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
1982-83 - Hamburg 🇩🇪
1983-84 - Liverpool 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
1984-85 - Juventus 🇮🇹 (Liverpool was in the final)

Yes you could say it was mostly Liverpool’s dominance in the European Cup but how come 3 different English clubs won in a period of 9 years. 6 European Cups in England in 9 years and the European Cup staying in England for 6 years in a row. Even Spain didn’t match this with Madrid’s 4 in 5 and our treble with only 5 in a row.

Those clubs had a lot of influence from other nations in the British isles


Plus, the correlation between club success and international success is overdone at times. England were strong in the European cup but they still played basic football at international level and at international level the top sides of then like Brazil and Argentina and west Germany gathered all their players together. At club level they were likely more spread out than England's

 

[JamDav1982]

I couldn’t find the thread for English football but I want to know

Despite the insane dominance by English clubs in the European cup starting from 1976-77 until 1984-85, how come England didn’t perform well in any international tournament in that time span.

I mean when I say dominance I mean dominance, let me show you how -

1976-77 - Liverpool 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
1977-78 - Liverpool 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
1978-79 - Nottingham Forest 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
1979-80 - Nottingham Forest 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
1980-81 - Liverpool 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
1981-82 - Aston Villa 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
1982-83 - Hamburg 🇩🇪
1983-84 - Liverpool 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
1984-85 - Juventus 🇮🇹 (Liverpool was in the final)

Yes you could say it was mostly Liverpool’s dominance in the European Cup but how come 3 different English clubs won in a period of 9 years. 6 European Cups in England in 9 years and the European Cup staying in England for 6 years in a row. Even Spain didn’t match this with Madrid’s 4 in 5 and our treble with only 5 in a row.

For majority of those wins the captains and most gifted players were Scottish.

Dalglish was arguably the best player in Europe at points there and John Robertson won Nottimgham Forrest the two finals. Both had Scottish captains behind them.

 

[RedxMAK]

For majority of those wins the captains and most gifted players were Scottish.

Dalglish was arguably the best player in Europe at points there and John Robertson won Nottimgham Forrest the two finals. Both had Scottish captains behind them.

Then how come Scotland didn’t do well at that time as well

 

[JamDav1982]

Then how come Scotland didn’t do well at that time as well

Didnt play well enough clearly.

 

[Jenks]

I know he isn't, but if Tuchel was a DFB plant he wouldn't behave much differently than he is. Jordan Henderson and Loftus-Cheeck? Back to 2018? Urrrgh.

 

[Titan98]

I know he isn't, but if Tuchel was a DFB plant he wouldn't behave much differently than he is. Jordan Henderson and Loftus-Cheeck? Back to 2018? Urrrgh.

Maybe he wants to fulfill the dream of every football fan outside of england: never see them winning the world cup. (Was not here 1966) this is one of my last big goals in football, i hope i can say the same in 50 years.