CL Semi Final: Inter - Barca

[ivanobua7z]

Calma e pazienza sono altrettanto importanti. Non bisogna farsi stressare da tutta la situazione. Ora l'Inter è composta per lo più da vecchietti, ma potrebbe anche esserci nervosismo giocando in casa davanti a un sacco di tifosi che si aspettano il loro passaggio.

Non dimentichiamoci che hanno anche bisogno di vincere e che non possono contare sui gol in trasferta.

La domanda è quando inizieranno a spingere per questo. Possono giocare sia in contropiede che tenendo palla.

Motivation and preparation play a big part but the small details matter too. In these high pressure matches the team that doesn't make or minimises mistakes usually goes through.

They are not capable of keeping the ball, Inter should not be pressed in their half of the pitch

also it's true, they are playing for everything, they could be nervous

Barcelona should defend with a low defense and all the players, but I don't know if they are capable of it and if their coach has ever made Barcelona play like this

Even yesterday, at 1-2, the team didn't want to defend the result, risking a 2-2 draw.

 

[Masetro10]

We have to handle the counters better than last time. Yeah most of their goals were kind of lucky but at the same time Inter were very unlucky to not score on those counters too. It evens out.

This game we need to not be so crazy in their half. They don't seem like they will score against a set defense. Maybe play the normal line and keep the game cagey. No full backs this match will be detrimental to the offense so I expect 2 goals or less from us

 

[serghei]

"Who wants it more" is one of the most stupid terms in sports.

In this level, in CL semifinals, every player will die to win it, those are competitors ffs.

People just created that terms as it is easier than talking about fine details that decide such games.

It's not. It's not about who wants it more on theoretical terms, all want it in theory. But about will. Some players will cave to tiredness and exhaustion, others will find those extra reserves of energy and ambition and push more to get what they want.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

"Who wants it more" is one of the most stupid terms in sports.

In this level, in CL semifinals, every player will die to win it, those are competitors ffs.

People just created that terms as it is easier than talking about fine details that decide such games.

I don't think it's true. Look at how Amigos collapsed in Liverpool. You are telling me they had the same "want" as Liverpool to win that tie? I don't believe it. Amigos had bellies full already and won it all. Liverpool had way more to prove, meaning more "want" or hungry.

CL quite often the hungrier team wins because the extra intensity they can give.

Old teams with players who has won it all too many times are at disadvantage usually. That's why teams like PSG fail with Messi, Neumar and Mbappe. Not much will.

Spoiled players aren't as driven.

 

[serghei]

Michael Jordan wrote the book on how important it is to be fully committed to winning. We have few players who have this type of mentality in the team imo.

We have Yamal and Raphinha. No surprise they were the ones who pushed the team forward vs Inter in the first leg from 0-2 down. Again, we need both of them to be inspiring and lead the team.

But of course, we have several other players who are not that special in terms of fighting spirit and mentality, but have a lot of football quality on their own. That obviously can make a difference also.

 

[khaled_a_d]

It's not. It's not about who wants it more on theoretical terms, all want it in theory. But about will. Some players will cave to tiredness and exhaustion, others will find those extra reserves of energy and ambition and push more to get what they want.

It is a nonsense still.

Energy has nothing to do with well. I could have the well to run a 40+ km marathon and lacks energy to do so. It doesn't change anything about my well.

Preparation is a totally different thing from well too.
Those are the technical stuff, which us actually the things that matters.
Motivation is just easy terms bullshit

 

[serghei]

It is a nonsense still.

Energy has nothing to do with well. I could have the well to run a 40+ km marathon and lacks energy to do so. It doesn't change anything about my well.

Preparation is a totally different thing from well too.
Those are the technical stuff, which us actually the things that matters.
Motivation is just easy terms bullshit

I see it differently. I think mentality stops you from giving up before you exhaust the last physical resources. It happens mentaly first, in how you deal with pain and stress. First the brain tells you you can't do it anymore. And this triggers the giving up instinct.

I can tell you from experience. Not an athlete, but I just know when my brain is telling me to quit doing something that causes pain. And you always have extra to give if you control that. I discovered it myself. Of course, at some point, the body just can't do more. But there are many moments where people quit well before reaching that point. I'm convinced it functions the same even in high level athletes. There are some who can give more on a mental level.

 

[khaled_a_d]

I don't think it's true. Look at how Amigos collapsed in Liverpool. You are telling me they had the same "want" as Liverpool to win that tie? I don't believe it. Amigos had bellies full already and won it all. Liverpool had way more to prove, meaning more "want" or hungry.

So, did we want it more on the first leg?
Did Salah not want it more and it affected them?
Why was our best half in the tie in the 2nd leg?

Maybe it has something to do with the team being old? Maybe it has something with them deciding to target our weaknesses? By their iwn admission looking at Busquets lack of legs? Our issues with corners? etc.

And I made a small exception for those who won everything and acts entitled. Barca 2019 and RM this seaaon are fairly in those categories.

Current Barca or Inter? They both desperately want it. It will play zero factor. How you expose opponents, how you avoid mistakes, how the physical preparation at this congessted schedule. It is this details that will win you a tie.

 

[ajnotkeith]

Michael Jordan wrote the book on how important it is to be fully committed to winning. We have few players who have this type of mentality in the team imo.

We have Yamal and Raphinha. No surprise they were the ones who pushed the team forward vs Inter in the first leg from 0-2 down. Again, we need both of them to be inspiring and lead the team.

But of course, we have several other players who are not that special in terms of fighting spirit and mentality, but have a lot of football quality on their own. That obviously can make a difference also.

Sometimes having players who are not emotional, and just chilled, is more helpful than you think.

Those types of players might not be ultra passionate or running around like crazy but they keep their head cool in key moments.

 

[serghei]

It makes no sense Khaled. If you take 20 men and give them some physical tests, while putting them through the same physical preparation, the same routine, the same tools, some will do better than others because of power of will and mentality.

 

[khaled_a_d]

I see it differently. I think mentality stops you from giving up before you exhaust the last physical resources. It happens mentaly first, in how you deal with pain and stress. First the brain tells you you can't do it anymore. And this triggers the giving up instinct.

I can tell you from experience. Not an athlete, but I just know when my brain is telling me to quit doing something that causes pain. And you always have extra to give if you control that. I discovered it myself. Of course, at some point, the body just can't do more. But there are many moments where people quit well before reaching that point. I'm convinced it functions the same even in high level athletes. There are some who can give more on a mental level.

Dude, those are athletes who live on being competitive. Our personal experience are irrelevant here.

Motivation to be great is more about your off the pitch work, some guys will dedicate their lives to the craft, others don't.

Wgen it comes to in games, players 99% guves it all on the grand stage. There is always exceptions.
But most fans, and worse, pundits, say it to just look deep without having to actually explain anything.

There was a video of Mark Cuban explaining this about the difference between 2011 and 2012 NBA finals. How coaching adjustments that were made between both was the reason one made Lebron a meme and the other made him a legend.

 

[serghei]

Dude, those are athletes who live on being competitive. Our personal experience are irrelevant here.

Motivation to be great is more about your off the pitch work, some guys will dedicate their lives to the craft, others don't.

Wgen it comes to in games, players 99% guves it all on the grand stage. There is always exceptions.
But most fans, and worse, pundits, say it to just look deep without having to actually explain anything.

There was a video of Mark Cuban explaining this about the difference between 2011 and 2012 NBA finals. How coaching adjustments that were made between both was the reason one made Lebron a meme and the other made him a legend.

It's the same thing. The human body and the human mind is the same. They just operate at a much higher level. But even among pro athletes, as I tell you, not all have equal power of will and equal competitive mentality. It's just not possible.

I didn't say coaching adjustments don't play a role. All of those play a role. But what you said is nonsense also plays a role.

 

[serghei]

Who stopped Pedri from pushing his head in that ball instead of moving away from it? Fear and self preservation instinct at the expense of competitiveness. It is how it is. Not everyone will "die" for it as you say. It doesn't mean Pedri is not a great player, it just means he has flaws like everyone else. He is softer, not as tough or as tenacious as others. Olmo is probably the same. De Jong probably the same.

We have technique and skill in midfield, but we do not have a fighter's edge. That may count, or it may not.

 

[MonteCuler]

I have some feeling Lautaro will make it for the second leg, already rumors among Inter sources that it's possible

Then we remember how Thuram and Dumfries were supposed to be injured then orchestrated all 3 of their goals. Probably mind games by Inzaghi

 

[khaled_a_d]

, some will do better than others because of power of will and mentality.

This is just admiting you don't see the fine details and chosinf the easy way out of it