CL: Barca - PSG 1-2
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TheStig
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We should go back to 4-3-3 long term, especially if Bernal proves himself as a lone DM, much better option than ruining Pedri like Xavi and DLF did. We also don't have any real top quality at the #10 position so it doesn't make much sense. The only one who benefits from this system is FDJ.
Temptation
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433 needs a proper starting DM. You don't have one. FDJ and Pedri aren't actual DMs. Only if Bernal establishes himself as a clear starter.
A double pivot divides the defensive and positional workload off the ball in the middle of the park and is perfect for Flick's style and system.
jamrock
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Agree with this, said the same with olmo vs inter, we need a AM that can drop back and play CM, when we are getting out manned in midfield, this is where gavi would come in hand.
JamDav1982
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That is nonsense.
The system has benefited almost all of them and hardly a benefit for FDJ either when being most defensive mid in double pivot isnt ideal position anyway.
malvolio
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I still see that as a glorified friendly that doesn't mean much. It put my money on PSG if they play in the KOs. Chelsea is still meh overall as a team and results are showing it.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
If Gavi was fit would as been as well putting him to try and man mark Vitinha.
But Barca decided to step off him and they just constantly stretched pitch and found gaps.
But Barca decided to step off him and they just constantly stretched pitch and found gaps.
Fabian Ruiz looks a tank, no?
I still remember him at 22/23. Scrawny lanky fucker and kind of slow.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Barca v Inter was absolutely nothing like this.
The midfield of Barca dominated that game over their midfield.
The midfield of Barca dominated that game over their midfield.
TheStig
Member
Who is "all of them"? We talk about midfield which is the only part that really changes when we switch from 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3. Most of the attack and defense plays similar in both systems.
Pedri's best position is a CM in 4-3-3, we don't have a 10 on starting level so that leaves one position empty (Fermin is not a starting material for a top team).
So your argument is that even FDJ would prefer 433 with a true DM behind him and Pedri? Could be.
We don't really have personnel for either system tbh, it either lacks a DM for 433 or a 10 for 4231.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Every player in Barca has benefited from Flicks system near enough.
Pedri has played best football of his life in this system.
Of course he is good enough to play in other systems but this one suits him down to the ground also.
As have many others in the team.
TheStig
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That is true but that's because he was mostly played out of position as a 10 until Flick came. I agree he's much better in a double pivot than as 10 of course. We never really saw him as a long term CM in a 4-3-3 but his qualities scream that it would be the best system for him.
jamrock
Senior Member
De jong can't play single pivot and your right he's the one who mainly benefits from this system, so until we get a different DM. 4231 is the best bet, we just need a different AM who can drop back into Midfield.
Might have to force Gavi there, if he comes back and his close to his best
JamDav1982
Senior Member
He would be class in a 433 clearly but it is not far off what he is playing.
You want Pedri on ball as much as possible and being there to take it from defenders.
A 433 depends on how played. With Xavi it was often all too much positional cones waiting for ball and he needs more freedom than that.
jamrock
Senior Member
Yea PSG is definitely on some kind of juice, like Bayern under flick
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