Champions League 2024-25

[Temptation]

😂.

People won't admit he's better than pedri because pedri as been seen as a golden child or some BS like that.

Yup. That was exactly the point about the first 6 months of the season not about their entire careers where Gravenberch is nowhere near Pedri.

 

[vegitot]

Nah. Never said Gravenberch is better than Pedri. Infact I clearly said Pedri is a better player because this is the first season Gravenberch has performed well in a top league. You can go back to those posts and check. I never rate players' overall careers based on 6 great months.

All I said was in December/January that Gravenberch has been the best mid itw this season which was true back then. Then his performances dropped slightly while Pedri's stayed consistent throughout the season.

Quit lying.

At no point Gravenberch was the best mid in the world.

And you said Pedri is better due to only his Barca player status.

Check Pedri vs Atletico in December, better than everything Gravenberch ever did in his career.

 

[serghei]

No, there are differences in md as well.
Olmo couldn't play in PSG's midfield at all, in how Enrique wants to play.
Maybe as false 9, but never in md

There's more in our midfield than just Olmo. Pedri and De Jong would fit instantly.

 

[BerkeleyBernie]

I'll be putting Dani Olmo on fraud alert next season. If he plays like a pussy again vs. tough competition then he's a bit of a flop for me.

He's a bit at the mercy of Barca's sluggish-brain midfield and Yamal's being anchored to the touchline 90% of the time, doing take-ons or back passes or crosses 95% of the time.

This sequence demonstrates the problem with Pedri. Olmo in acres of space. Pedri sends the ball the other direction into a heavily defended zone. Vitinha would have released that ball instantly to Olmo, then sprinted to join the attack to give Olmo another option.

 

[jamrock]

The PSG midfield could easily play for us in flick's 4231, so easily it's blinding actually.

While ours would struggle to do what PSG does, because the only midfielder we have capable of the levels of midfield rotation Enrique does is pedri.

Olmo can't do it
De Jong can't do it.

Actually fermin and most so gavi would be more likely to start if Enrique was our coach.

Flick football is very straight forward and simple, more fun to watch, but nothing really complicated about it, if you're a top class player and fit into those 3 positions you can play for him.

To do what Enrique is asking, requires a pedri, vitinha, neves, not many of those around.

 

[Temptation]

At no point Gravenberch was the best mid in the world.

And you said Pedri is better due to only his Barca player status.

Check Pedri vs Atletico in December, better than everything Gravenberch ever did in his career.

No. I said people aren't ready to admit that a nobody like Gravenberch has been the best mid from August to January because Pedri has a huge reputation.

Ofcourse Pedri has been brilliant throughout the season and has that reputation for a reason. That's why I categorically stated that Gravenberch isn't anywhere near him overall.

Gravenberch was insane in the first half of the season. Facts.

 

[Birdy]

There's more in our midfield than just Olmo. Pedri and De Jong would fit instantly.

Pedri and FDJ could in theory fit in their md.
But Vitinha is better for instance than both at their slow positional rotations, which is something Flick doesn't do.
Context is everything. There is a reason their md works for them, and our md works for us.

The whole 'best md in the world' discussion is pure BS for 15yr olds.
Only someone with that maturity could start discussion with that question.
Coaches, SDs, clubs, design teams as a whole, and find the best cogs for the wheel they want to build

 

[jamrock]

Yup. That was exactly the point about the first 6 months of the season not about their entire careers where Gravenberch is nowhere near Pedri.

Exactly so you said it.

No one was talking about there entire career

For those 6 months he wasn't better than pedri.

He's never been better than pedri, will never be better than pedri.

Good start to the season he had though.

 

[serghei]

But anyway, there's a big discrepancy between Barcelona and PSG. We overachieved this season compared to the purchasing power we have. PSG are basically the richest top team out there operating with unlimited spending via Qatar, and we are dead last. Can't even spend as much as a midtable EPL club these days.

We are doing a heroic stuff to even be in the conversation, let alone top 3 in Europe.

 

[jamrock]

At no point Gravenberch was the best mid in the world.

And you said Pedri is better due to only his Barca player status.

Check Pedri vs Atletico in December, better than everything Gravenberch ever did in his career.

Exactly lol

 

[vegitot]

Yep, I honestly can't believe Horatio just said that.

If we are rating players solely on box to box this season.

Pedri who is already the best in Europe, will only build a bigger lead, he doesn't look as energetic and dynamic while doing it, which is why some may have gotten confused.

What vitinha is better as is quick one twos, he passes the ball then immediately runs/sprints to the next best position.

Super dynamic, while also have incredible technique.

The quick one twos is something i hope Pedri will improve and master in the future. The sudden change of pace is key in many games.

Not sure if Pedri can be ever more dynamic than he is now, but he can shape the game to his pace.

 

[serghei]

It's normal for PSG who spend half a billion in 2 summers to have a better team than us. Not all teams are fecking retarded like United.

 

[Temptation]

Pedri and FDJ could in theory fit in their md.
But Vitinha is better for instance than both at their slow positional rotations, which is something Flick doesn't do.
Context is everything. There is a reason their md works for them, and our md works for us.

The whole 'best md in the world' discussion is pure BS for 15yr olds.
Only someone with that maturity could start discussion with that question.
Coaches, SDs, clubs, design teams as a whole, and find the best cogs for the wheel they want to build

Serious question

How would you rate the Wirtz-Macca-Gravenberch midfield on paper?

Do you rate it? I know we haven't seen it in action yet but..........

 

[Birdy]

Flick football is very straight forward and simple, more fun to watch, but nothing really complicated about it, if you're a top class player and fit into those 3 positions you can play for him.

To do what Enrique is asking, requires a pedri, vitinha, neves, not many of those around.

Again a proof you don't understand much about football.
There is nothing simple in what Flick is doing, and the 'straightforward' effect that you see is carefully designed, and does not result from everyone in the team playing 'straightforwatdly'

 

[KingLeo10]

Is Wirtz good at putting in kilometers or is he a luxury AM?

I’ve only seen him vs Bayern and he was not impressive.