JamDav1982
Senior Member
Exactly... if this was a known lie by board that is passed off as 'politics' and only dumb fans believe them then they would not be in such a scrambling mess right now to try and play there.
There is no gain to board lying about how long stadium would take for any 'political' reason. It achieves the exact opposite of any politcal gain to lie like that.
None of that claim makes sense.
serghei
Senior Member
I base my expectations based most importantly on what I think for myself. Especially when the party I'm supposed to believe has incentive to lie and sugar coat stuff. It's like you were born yesterday.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
What is the incentive to lie?
And if they were knowing lying about timelines why have they not planned better in advance for where will play.
It makes no sense.
The argument 'I will believe what I want to believe regardless' makes no sense.
Its like you were born yesterday with such a pathetic argument.
When did you know it was all a lie? What are the real timelines you and 'expectations' had from start?
serghei
Senior Member
Incentive to lie is putting pressure on the workers to not slack off, trying to put pressure to get the VIP sale accepted by La Liga, getting fans excited. Same as in politics. Give ambitious targets and then moan some beaurocrats are making it harder for you or some emeny is putting roadblocks out of spite. Seen this before in Politics. The goals are always overly ambitious, and when the goals are, logically, not reached, it's always somebody else's fault. I believe they call it populism.
Even in corporations, bosses always put unrealistic goals out of the belief that people slack off if they perceive they have plenty of time to finish a job. Similar phenomenon. Obviously the board is very pleased with Limak's job on the project. Logically you wouln't be pleased about it unless you know you set some unrealistic expectations, so any failure to not rech those deadlines is not really Limak's fault.
Even in corporations, bosses always put unrealistic goals out of the belief that people slack off if they perceive they have plenty of time to finish a job. Similar phenomenon. Obviously the board is very pleased with Limak's job on the project. Logically you wouln't be pleased about it unless you know you set some unrealistic expectations, so any failure to not rech those deadlines is not really Limak's fault.
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JamDav1982
Senior Member
That is utter nonsense and 'forcing workers not to slack off' makes no sense either.
VIP seats are when the stadium is ready for it.. as has been shown so lying about when that would be serves no purpose or make it happen any earlier.
You think they did all this to fool fans but likes of you were after the fact one of the few who were bright enough to see it... makes no sense.
All this are claims after the fact.
Again.... why are club not prepared when they knew it would take this long and were knowingly lying to fans? Again makes no sense.
What 'enemy' is being blamed out of spite?
serghei
Senior Member
It's not utter nonsense. It's how it works. Setting overly ambitious goals is a common tactic in various fields. Both in politics and in business. Even negotiation tactics has this approach. Start with a much higher price than the one you're actually willing to settle for. You know from the start it's highly unlikely to get your first asking price matched. Similar here. It's a common manipulation tactic.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
No it isnt.
It doesnt work that you with zero knoweldge of what are speaking about get to decide your own timelines and that the club are in fact working at great pace with the new stadium.
What were the true expectations that the club hid from fans?
serghei
Senior Member
The club knew it was highly unlikely to finish this project in 2026. That's why those penalties for Limak will never be triggered. Was just for show, to pain Laporta and the board in a good light. It was all pretty obvious. Set unrealistic goals, then after some time, move the conversation about how the project is so difficult, with various problems the board will fix with great effort and skill.
If you say from the start the project will take 5 years, then there's not much publicity and political credit to be had, no crisis to be solved, no heroes. Look at the noise around this Camp Nou build. Don't even remember anything about Allianz Arena being built.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
How does that make any sense whatsoever?
They knew it would be late so decided to put penalties in place that they never intended to use?
It doesnt put the board in a good light at all when later down the line it comes to point of those penalties being triggered.... and they are not.
The club clearly had not planned for stadium taking this long as evidenced how much FFP is impacted by it and they are scrambling to get anything done there while missing out on signings like Nico.
Also as said.. the club are scrambling trying to make sure have somewhere to play.. again not planned for.
The board expected stadium to be further on by now clearly. Can see it in every action they have taken.
They knew it would be late so decided to put penalties in place that they never intended to use?
It doesnt put the board in a good light at all when later down the line it comes to point of those penalties being triggered.... and they are not.
The club clearly had not planned for stadium taking this long as evidenced how much FFP is impacted by it and they are scrambling to get anything done there while missing out on signings like Nico.
Also as said.. the club are scrambling trying to make sure have somewhere to play.. again not planned for.
The board expected stadium to be further on by now clearly. Can see it in every action they have taken.
draconifire
NTC with a Positive attitude
Love this Eastern European/Romanian cynicism.
And you are absolutely correct in thinking this.
Loki
Well-known member
No source though, need to wait for others to jump on it or not.
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