Bruno Fernandes

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Cuntttt

 

[Maradona37]

He’s a stat padder who’s a fraud in biggest games.

Baljeet rates him, all you need to know

Yeah, I have no problem with Tempt, but he and I think very differently on football quite often, and I often think his takes are way off base.

Plus reading through Redcafe for years, it always seems to be the very worst, gatekeeping, cliquey running to the mods hypocritical posters who are his super fans (Pickle85, Scandi Red, Pogue Mahone etc). And their arguments are often poor.

I think he's a good litmus test. People who rave about how brilliant he are probably just think of football in terms of moments and goals and assists, and don't think of general play. They likely prefer Ronaldo to Messi too a lot of them, for much the same reason.

 

[Don Juan Laporta Estruch]

In his defence he is a 10, always has been a 10, always will be. A CAM. Maybe played as high up as behind the main striker.

Utd played him as a double pivot today. A 6.

He was their deepest player when they were chasing a goal in the final moments. Your best attacking player. Your best long range shooter. And where was he? On the puti half way line.

Madness.

If Bruno was at Barca and he was played that deep, the manager would get absolutely castigated for it, and rightly so.

 

[Temptation]

Who said he was good enough for elite teams?

All that was said was that he's their best player, gets good numbers consistently and generally carries them since he joined which is clearly true.

Another opportunity to put words in my mouth and desperately create strawman arguments to get one over me by the usual suspects.

 

[Maradona37]

In his defence he is a 10, always has been a 10, always will be. A CAM. Maybe played as high up as behind the main striker.

Utd played him as a double pivot today. A 6.

He was their deepest player when they were chasing a goal in the final moments. Your best attacking player. Your best long range shooter. And where was he? On the puti half way line.

Madness.

If Bruno was at Barca and he was played that deep, the manager would get absolutely castigated for it, and rightly so.

That's true.

The problem is their fans are idiots and go by the most recent game. Fernandes had an okay few games in a midfield 2 against weaker teams and they got carried away thinking he's a central midfielder. They did the same with Garnacho a while ago - he had a flurry of decent games on the right and they started saying he was definitely better on the right than left for the rest of his career.

Another thing is they really have nobody else. Ugarte is awful on the ball and Eriksen is awful off the ball. They don't have anybody else to play CM. As scary as it sounds, he was their best option there (though as you say to get the best out of his very flawed style he should be played closer to the opposition goal where his low IQ and hollywood passing can cause less damage).

 

[Maradona37]

You said he has carried them for the last five years, which simply isn't true (don't gaslight me here, I won't concede like I do with Barca players as unlike Barca I watch every United game). He's had plenty of poor stretches of form and I doubt you have watched them as much as me - I think I have missed 3 of their games in the last three seasons. I like seeing them lose so I follow them as an anti-fan.

Your argument for this was his stats. But you completely neglect to acknowledge the other side of his game in pursuit of those stats - the sloppy passing, the playing in moments, how weak he is physically and how he gets dominated by stronger players (such as Sarr tonight).

And even if he does 'carry' them - where has he carried them to? They've been an absolute non-entity this season and even a few years ago, they were getting to CL places while not mounting any serious challenge for a title (while picking up more points than performances deserved anyway). They've done nothing much in Europe in his time there.

Being 'their best player' in a season they finish in the lowest quarter of the league isn't the flex you think it is. And yes, he's their best player and most of their other players suck. However, trying to paint him as some great player let down by all the useless donkeys around him is a complete lie - I see him every week and he is culpable for a lot of poor play - he makes a lot of errors himself.

The truth is he just isn't that good. I am sure you said he's been the best player in the PL this season earlier in this thread (or top 5 at least) which is laughably flattering him. It does a disservice to all the other players who do their job very well while not being flashy, percentage playing, stats chasing hero ball individualistic types.

 

[Maradona37]

Also, it isn't anything personal - already told you I like you, have zero problem with you. It's not about you, it's about how you rate Fernandes. I'd say the same to others.

I mean he's a good player to a point, but nothing special - there's hundreds of better players than him dotted around European leagues. You rave about him like he's excellent.

I think guys like Bowen and Eze are more talented than him which you probably find insane (even though I know you rate Eze). They just don't get the profile boost he has from playing for a much bigger club than Palace or Wet Spam.

Overall, he just doesn't impress me much. And I think that's a very reasonable opinion to hold based on all the flaws in his game, and his body of evidence. I mean he does worry me when I want them to lose because I know he can create a moment - but equally I know he can give the game away doing something silly too.

 

[vegitot]

The ultimate numbers taken out of context to make someone seem far better than they are player imo.

Gives away so many easy passes that lead to pressure on his team, Sick of hearing about his completely fabricated 'chances creates' stats too - a lot of them are very poor quality chances. Plus they are pulled out of thin air. I heard somewhere he created 15 chances across two games against Bournemouth and Sheffield United last season (one of which they lost 3-0). I watched both games and he came nowhere near creating that many chances.

He really seems like someone who gets overrated because of out of context stats. And again - his stats are good because he's indulged and can play hero ball in a wank team. In a team like prime Man City he'd be nowhere near one of the better players and he'd have to adapt his game, meaning much more modest stats.

The type of people who think he goes to Man City, outshines De Bruyne and improves his stats because he is 'playing with better players' - as if Pep or any other top coach will give the guy free reign to play Gerrard style headless chicken hero ball - do not get football, in my opinion. There's so many examples of the game not working that way.

Totally agree. Utd fans believe Bruno would outshine KDB if he played for City instead is laughable.

Not only KDB's passing is on different level, his ball carrying and hold on the ball are something Bruno completely lacks.

Bruno has his strength of course. He may perform better than Olmo for current Barca ngl.

 

[Maradona37]

Totally agree. Utd fans believe Bruno would outshine KDB if he played for City instead is laughable.

Not only KDB's passing is on different level, his ball carrying and hold on the ball are something Bruno completely lacks.

Bruno has his strength of course. He may perform better than Olmo for current Barca ngl.

Yeah he's a good player to a point, and their best player. I just feel the raving he gets with out of context stats (especially the chances creates one) is way disproportionate to his actual ability and performances across 90 minutes.

Football doesn't really work like you automatically get better in a better team with better team-mates - some players thrive in a strong team, others are more in their comfort zone being the main man in a worse team. Fernandes seem the latter to me; a big fish in a small pond.

If it was that simple then back in the day Kevin Phillips would have scored 85 goals a season if he had joined Man United, as he scored plenty for a decent but not amazing Sunderland. Football doesn't work that way though. There's so many factors and variables and you cannot just assume players will improve amongst better team-mates and a better team.

I am not saying Temptation is making that point - he thought I was but my comments about that were more about what I have read their fans say :'look how good Bruno's stats are in a struggling team with struggling team-mates, he must be as good as KDB because Kevin has better team-mates'. Yes I have heard some fans make points similar to that. They used to say the same about Gerrard (though obviously Gerrard was better than Fernandes).

And yeah i have made the point that Bruno cannot carry the ball or dribble, and that he hasn't got the physicality, body strength and press resistance KDB has. And Bruno isn't as good a passer.

 

[Horatio]

Al-Hilal calling

 

[Iniesta Ultra]

In his defence he is a 10, always has been a 10, always will be. A CAM. Maybe played as high up as behind the main striker.

Utd played him as a double pivot today. A 6.

He was their deepest player when they were chasing a goal in the final moments. Your best attacking player. Your best long range shooter. And where was he? On the puti half way line.

Madness.

If Bruno was at Barca and he was played that deep, the manager would get absolutely castigated for it, and rightly so.

That's because he's below average with back to goal under pressure. He'd be better in a midfield three and not Hamorim's stupid 'system'. His tunnel vision's not as bad as panda's but obviously more wreckless about getting picked off.

 

[jamrock]

Bring him home

 

[Maradona37]

Was in a car coming home from a football tournament with a guy who's a good player and whose opinion I respect, Celtic fan (a year or so younger than me). He was saying he doesn't really rate Fernandes, that he's a terrible captain and goes missing in most big games. He can't see why some rate him and that he comes nowhere near Keane in leadership qualities. That it's laughable they have this guy after some of the captains they've had in the past.

He then said McTominay is better than him no problem.

He didn't rate Pogba either.

I think I am inclined to agree. This guy is such a Hollywood ball spamming fraud, and if Man United plan to play him in a midfield two, they will deeply regret not selling him to Saudi. A smart, competent club (which they are not) would have forced him out.