Barca Transfers and Rumors

[Porque]

At a level sure, but then you got City, Chelsea (not just to Strasbourg) and Villa all making signings high potential (so higher tier than the Onsteins and Pacificos) signings and sticking them straight on loan the same window.

 

[Don Juan Laporta Estruch]

I agree with Porqué, it seems more of a monetary issue than anything else. I don't really have a problem with our scouting of young players, we seem to be there or thereabouts with any young prospect, but can't get deals over the line due to being outbid by a financially doped up rivals.

We've not really missed out on anyone so far, maybe more because of luck, than design. Maybe Bergvall, who has shown some promise.

What worries me is the big money signings the Sporting Department want. Nico couldn't even get into Bilbao's biggest game of the season yesterday and would have been an atrocious signing. Then there is the Alvarez obsession, which, whatever you think of him, is a terrible fit for this particular team as the lone centre forward.

It's really been a blessing in disguise to have been broke recently, so you got to take the rough with the smooth, we've missed out on not much, but missed wasting some big big money on some potential big big flops.

 

[khaled_a_d]

At a level sure, but then you got City, Chelsea (not just to Strasbourg) and Villa all making signings high potential (so higher tier than the Onsteins and Pacificos) signings and sticking them straight on loan the same window.

What is the success rate for those two? It is more of a trade project rather than a sporting one.

Chelsea burns ton of talent, and even struggle at times to get rid of them, all while having partner club in Strasbourg, in addition to under the table business with Saudi.

City has same struggle with those, Savinho is a rare success story, while being the player that most of their fans want to get sold.

You can always attract higher tier prospects with money, that's obvios, however saying it is the right sporting strategy seems far off

 

[JamDav1982]

Chelsea and City have connected clubs playing top leagues.

It is a much easier sell to a player to say 'come and if not good enough you can got to France or Spain for a season to develop'. Knowing the club and set up they would be going to and proven cases of players developing there.

Also neither bring through as many young players as Barca do and makes it a harder sell for a first team place.. while the La Masia youngsters get huge push from media public and pressure is on to use them,

Barca situation isnt the same even outwith the finances.

If finances were all equal Barcas USP would be La Masia meaning Barca should NOT have to take as many risks on players from elsewhere that are not ready but in turn spend bigger on 1st team 'ready' players.

Another part of it can be sure as fuck City and Chelsea are paying these players in ways not taken into account on FFP.

 

[Porque]

What is the success rate for those two? It is more of a trade project rather than a sporting one.

Chelsea burns ton of talent, and even struggle at times to get rid of them, all while having partner club in Strasbourg, in addition to under the table business with Saudi.

City has same struggle with those, Savinho is a rare success story, while being the player that most of their fans want to get sold.

You can always attract higher tier prospects with money, that's obvios, however saying it is the right sporting strategy seems far off

Well I was looking at guys outside the whole Strasbourg/Girona stratosphere.

You got Anselmino who went straight to Dortmund and Nypan who initially went to the Championship. So the notion of Barcelona buying a higher tier prospect (15-20m) and then loaning them outside shouldn't be discarded as there are bigger prospects who are using this route.

So I wouldn't say we can't do this. Actually what Bartomeu had with Betis was an interesting model where we co-signed Emerson. That's another model to look at in a similar vein.

I do like what we done with the B this window though on a lower level, and have high hopes on the Uruguayan lad to develop his game here.

So hopefully when finances return to stability we can bring in one or two prospects per season at a higher price point.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Well I was looking at guys outside the whole Strasbourg/Girona stratosphere.

You got Anselmino who went straight to Dortmund and Nypan who initially went to the Championship. So the notion of Barcelona buying a higher tier prospect (15-20m) and then loaning them outside shouldn't be discarded as there are bigger prospects who are using this route.

So I wouldn't say we can't do this. Actually what Bartomeu had with Betis was an interesting model where we co-signed Emerson. That's another model to look at in a similar vein.

I do like what we done with the B this window though on a lower level, and have high hopes on the Uruguayan lad to develop his game here.

So hopefully when finances return to stability we can bring in one or two prospects per season at a higher price point.

No one is claiming we can't, the question is why should we? What is the Sporting benefit?

Like what did Anselmino do to Chelsea? Santos might be the only solid success from those loans, among dozens of deals.

Same for City.

You can throw money and buy whatever you want, no one is doubting that you can get whatever deals you want with money, but it isn't that successful to get players too early.

With Betis we made them partners in deals, which motivated them to develop players for their benefits, but then again, it was mostly a trading partnership, not a sporting one