Antoine Griezmann

[OVI9323]

Shall we talk about how good he's for France?

In 2018 and now in 2022 i'd say he's top 2 in how France is cohesive (and he's not 2)

 

[Luftstalag14]

The best French player of this World Cup so far for me.

He is like a Neymar these days, threading the play together for them, an indispensable part of the French midfield. Defensively churning out great shifts too.

 

[vegitot]

Where is this Griezmann for Barca???

Xavi may want him back now

 

[CatalinR10]

Griezboy is a fucking pussio for being trash for Barca.



FFS.

 

[Messigician]

World cup tax

 

[Devils]

The way he drops back, win the ball, plays out of pressure and distributes play is sickening.

This sicko looked like he barely knew how to play football at Barca and then he plays like this for France.

 

[M3ls]

The way he drops back, win the ball, plays out of pressure and distributes play is sickening.

This sicko looked like he barely knew how to play football at Barca and then he plays like this for France.

In Barcelona, ​​he played completely out of his position.
Griezmann is effective in the role of:

1. false nine in the system 4 - 3 - 3

2. an attacking midfielder in a 4-2-3-1 system with a clean forward in front (this is the formation used by the French team)

3. as a second attacker in a 4 - 4 - 2 system

We couldn't replicate any of those schemes with Messi on the team. Perhaps we should have tried him as role 8 on a 4-3-3 system.

 

[Laplacian]

In Barcelona, ​​he played completely out of his position.
Griezmann is effective in the role of:

1. false nine in the system 4 - 3 - 3

2. an attacking midfielder in a 4-2-3-1 system with a clean forward in front (this is the formation used by the French team)

3. as a second attacker in a 4 - 4 - 2 system
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He plays as a second striker for Atletico though? I'm not sure what's so confusing here: what he's doing for France now is exactly what he tried when he was with us. What was the point of having a "forward" that spent little time involving himself in attacking play, but instead dropped deep to involve himself in midfield when we already had Messi with us? Look at the comments in his thread, it's what he was criticized for. Having Griezmann effectively reduced our attacking options (what was it at the time, just Suarez or Luuk De Jong or Braithwaite etc outside of Messi?) significantly and made us toothless in attack. Much easier to have a "fake attacker" when you've got Giroud, Dembele, and Mbappe ahead of without having to deal with another similar player in Messi.

We couldn't replicate any of those schemes with Messi on the team. Perhaps we should have tried him as role 8 on a 4-3-3 system

So you tell us he was played out of position and your possible solution to that was...playing him as a no.8 midfielder...in other words...out of position? Lmao. Griezmann just wasn't a tactical fit for us as most had pointed out before the transfer happened. Get over it and move on.

 

[M3ls]

He plays as a second striker for Atletico though? I'm not sure what's so confusing here: what he's doing for France now is exactly what he tried when he was with us. What was the point of having a "forward" that spent little time involving himself in attacking play, but instead dropped deep to involve himself in midfield when we already had Messi with us? Look at the comments in his thread, it's what he was criticized for. Having Griezmann effectively reduced our attacking options (what was it at the time, just Suarez or Luuk De Jong or Braithwaite etc outside of Messi?) significantly and made us toothless in attack. Much easier to have a "fake attacker" when you've got Giroud, Dembele, and Mbappe ahead of without having to deal with another similar player in Messi.



So you tell us he was played out of position and your possible solution to that was...playing him as a no.8 midfielder...in other words...out of position? Lmao. Griezmann just wasn't a tactical fit for us as most had pointed out before the transfer happened. Get over it and move on.

Do not talk nonsense.

In Barcelona, ​​he often played on the left wing and sometimes on the right.

What was the point of having a "forward" that spent little time involving himself in attacking play, but instead dropped deep to involve himself in midfield when we already had Messi with us?

This is the problem - it is impossible to fit Leo and Griezmann on the field at the same time. As for the position and 8, I suggested this option as one of the possible ones with Leo in the line-up, but I do not appreciate the likelihood that this option would be successful.

So, placing Messi and Griezmann on the field at the same time is an almost impossible task. Both of them love to go deep, love the 14th zone and the right half-flank. As a result, they have the same habitat - they only interfere with each other.

 

[JohnN]

Griezmann was also nad when Messi didn't play.. but people seem to forget that Barca players were shit compared to this France team. Everyone looked shit in that team. Also, griezmann missed sitters left and right, as he is not a striker.

 

[mc_lovin]

We also played him as a false 9 and he was shit. He's shit for Atletico as well.

He works for France, but international football has its own rules.

 

[malvolio]

Griezmann was also nad when Messi didn't play.. but people seem to forget that Barca players were shit compared to this France team. Everyone looked shit in that team. Also, griezmann missed sitters left and right, as he is not a striker.

Some chaps with very short memories in here. Griezmann was trash for us in any combination. This bullshit about Messi hindering his role is nonsense. It's not about Messi or any other player, it's about Barca being a team with initiative that always wants to have the ball and score.

France is a defensive, reactive team. They don't go and beat teams into submition with their play. They don't keep the ball as much as Barca. They play two DMs and a big donkey upfront in Giroud. Without Mbappe they wouldn't be world champions in 2018 or in the semis this year. Griezmann likes to be this beta type player that links the play and provides another body when defending, which is fine by me. But he is no conductor, a man that dictates play, wants the ball and gets you out of trouble when the chips are down.

So unless you want Simeone/Deschamps football, there is no point in fawning over this guy.

 

[ajnotkeith]

Griezmann actually had a lot of goals and assists in his time here but he is remembered as so shit because of the terrible fee paid for him.

If he was signed for like 50m and reasonable wages then he would have been a good signing but we paid Ballon Dor level money for him (Barto special).

He's nothing generational, but he's a tidy player with good qualities that can do well as a cog in the system.

 

[Respekt_III]

Griezmann actually had a lot of goals and assists in his time here but he is remembered as so shit because of the terrible fee paid for him.

If he was signed for like 50m and reasonable wages then he would have been a good signing but we paid Ballon Dor level money for him (Barto special).

He's nothing generational, but he's a tidy player with good qualities that can do well as a cog in the system.

I don't agree, he really didn't fit in and wasnt effective when played out of position in our 4-3-3

He's more of a fit for a 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-2
Cant have Busquets him and Messi in the same team.
Messi plays Griezmans best positions 10x better so it was always a dumb move even more so when you consider the money.
having Griezman Messi and Busquets in the same team is too weak defensively regardless of Griezmans work rate.
as someone said above, international football is basically a different sport.

 

[vegitot]

Pogba always looked like a beast with France but a clown with Utd, for example.

It's good for Griezmann having a great world cup so far but Laplacian's post is spot on.