9 - Robert Lewandowski

[Maradona37]

He's HIM
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Serious question. I'd like an honest answer.

Do you think you will ever get tired of posting pathetic twitter articles with out of context stats about a footballer who couldn't give a fuck about you? And using humiliating phrases like 'He's HIM' that I'd expect from a 12 year old? Not a man in his 20s as you likely are.

Or will you still be doing it on here in your 70s and 80s about the latest young player? Where is the adult dignity?

I am genuinely curious.

 

[Maradona37]

40 year olds making their special goal celebations like some kids in kindergarten is so cringe.

That's Lewandowski for you

As cringe, infantile and embarrassing a cunt as Cristiano Ronaldo. Just better liked as he has a friendlier demeanor and is better looking.

 

[Maradona37]

4 more goals and he's joint 2nd top scorer in UCL in Barça history , behind you know who

Don't know if he can achieve it

That has more to do with modern football, stat padding, and Lewandowski's own obsession with goal hanging than anything else. Like King Leo says, Brazilian Ronaldo scored about 14 CL goals. But obviously Lewa could never lace his boots or come close.

It's literally because teams play far more dead rubbers and weak teams now. Lewandowski himself scores loads in the group phase every season.

All the goals he stat padded would be swapped for something more meaningful like the sitter he missed with his head against Inter from a few yards in the San Siro. Which gets conveniently forgotten as he's such a popular figure. If a hated figure like Neymar had missed that we'd still be hearing about it now.

Football is often more about narrative than ability.

 

[Maradona37]

Nah, he's way more a Bayern legend.

His production at Bayern from 2020-2022 was ridiculous. I think his goal numbers then were on par with peak CR7's numbers (for shorter obviously), and just behind peak Messi's.

And getting destroyed by Kane's now. Kane highlights that being a top class striker - like Lewa or Kane - you will score lots of goals playing for Bayern in Germany. Has nothing to do with how good Lewa was, given he generally went missing against teams with more parity in the CL (one COVID CL title in 8 years, zero CL titles at Barca and counting).

The difference is Kane has done it at a team who aren't one of the 3-4 best in their league (Tottenham) whereas at Dortmund, Bayern and Barca, Lewandowski has always been in a top one or two team in the league (partly because he's in the team, but much more because of the poor standard of most opposition sides). Look how bad Lewandowski is in tournaments for Poland (this is where Tempt posts his stats to rebuke me, which includes really meaningful goals such as a penalty at 3-0 down to France in the 90th minute in Qatar).

Imagine if peak Messi, Maradona or Ronaldo of Brazil were playing for Bayern in the Bundesliga?

This is where Temptation gets angry at me and launches into a furious defence of Lewandowski - he feels like he knows Lewandowski as a person despite being a stranger to him and despite the fact Robert would hate him for being such a creepy stalker cunt

Tempt fell out with me because I insulted Lewa. That proves his connection to a nameless, faceless celebrity is much stronger than that to a guy he actually interacts with every day, Parasocial, celebrity worshipping creep Makes my skin crawl so much, man.

'Temptation’s constant defence of Lewandowski is a primary indicator of an identity proxy. Because he has outsourced his self-esteem to Lewandowski’s success stream, an insult to the player is felt as a physical strike against his own ego.

 

[Maradona37]

I mean how is it that Neymar - a dickhead but a VASTLY more talented footballer than Lewandowski - has people lining up to call him overrated? But criticise Robert or say he was overrated and people act like you sacrificed 100 babies?

It's clearly because football is a game of narrative. People dislike Neymar a lot, so refuse to rate him properly. And others love Lewandowski, so continually give him more credit than he deserves, objectively.

 

[TemporaryFan]

Someone can't sleep ...
🤣🫢

 

[TemporaryFan]

@Maradona37
Generally, a player who finds the net puts out an infantile display. It is all right to let the euphoria out. They did not do these goal celebration figures in the 70s or 80s but they kissed the scorer forehead and pat - slap his buttocks.
When I watch a sport competition, I may get ultra emotional and my wife can't put up with me, calls me nuts and then leaves the house.

 

[Horatio]

I mean how is it that Neymar - a dickhead but a VASTLY more talented footballer than Lewandowski - has people lining up to call him overrated? But criticise Robert or say he was overrated and people act like you sacrificed 100 babies?

It's clearly because football is a game of narrative. People dislike Neymar a lot, so refuse to rate him properly. And others love Lewandowski, so continually give him more credit than he deserves, objectively.

Who called Neymar overrated? I think all of the criticism stems from him never living up to potential.

But your point is correct. Some players have negative bias against them whether deserved or not. Then have to extra miles to prove themselves compared to others.
Sometimes element of racism, sometimes price tag, sometimes unwilling to concede they were wrong.

 

[Maradona37]

Who called Neymar overrated? I think all of the criticism stems from him never living up to potential.

But your point is correct. Some players have negative bias against them whether deserved or not. Then have to extra miles to prove themselves compared to others.

Loads of people.

The overall point as you say is right. There are players with a positive bias and others with a negative bias.

Lewa gets wanked over for scoring a hat-trick against a run of the mill team. If Neymar does that it's all 'well it was only the local dog and duck.

It's like on Redcafe. When Lukaku and Ronaldo were scoring goals in Serie A, the Lukaku thread was all 'well Serie A is a declining league now'. But move to the Ronaldo thread and the same people were raving about him. This inconsistency was even pointed out by a poster or two.

At least be consistent in beliefs rather than having one rule for one and another for another.

 

[Horatio]

Lewa gets wanked over for scoring a hat-trick against a run of the mill team. If Neymar does that it's all 'well it was only the local dog and duck.

Not sure, but wouldn’t that mean Neymar gets underrated?

Or those are people claiming others overrate him? I see.

Wait? You are talking about his performances in Brazil league. Yes, no. I am one of them criticising Neymar for ending up in that league. He is too good for the opposition there. It means people know he could’ve achieved much more.

 

[Maradona37]

Not sure, but wouldn’t that mean Neymar gets underrated?

That's what I mean. Neymar is criticised with a negative angle for scoring against a weak team, Lewa is praised for it.

Someone like me believes a strong team shouldn't be praised for easily beating a weak team, regardless of how much I rate or don't the club or player. i don't give Ronaldo credit for stat-padding. But critically I don't Messi either.

You might argue that they're judging Neymar by more stringent standards, which is actually a compliment to him. But I don't believe that's the case - I believe it's favouritism to popular players and criticism of hated players.

Lewandowski is very popular and people generally desire to see him to well. Before Tempt and I fell out, he admitted he had noticed that only after I mentioned it to him. For some reason (cos he is probably a cunt) Lewandowski is extremely well-liked, more than just about any footballer. Most people love him, so criticising him goes down as well as pissing in a crowded elevator.

Lewandoswki is protected from criticism, and that is further reinforced by the spin doctoring and free PR that pathetic cunts like tempt do on forums like this. It's ironic that he says Messi is treat as an angel by some because the same is true of Lewa.

People should be consistent in beliefs. Not alter their values based on how much they like a footballer.

 

[Horatio]

That's what I mean. Neymar is criticised with a negative angle for scoring against a weak team, Lewa is praised for it.

Someone like me believes a strong team shouldn't be praised for easily beating a weak team, regardless of how much I rate or don't the club or player. i don't give Ronaldo credit for stat-padding. But critically I don't Messi either.

You might argue that they're judging Neymar by more stringent standards, which is actually a compliment to him. But I don't believe that's the case - I believe it's favouritism to popular players and criticism of hated players.

Lewandowski is very popular and people generally desire to see him to dwell. Before Tempt and I fell out, he admitted he had noticed that only after I mentioned it to him. For some reason (cos he is probably a cunt) Lewandowski is extremely well-liked, more than just about any footballer. Most people love him, so criticising him goes down as well as pissing in a crowded elevator.

People should be consistent in beliefs.

I have appended my post. I don’t believe people think he is overrated. It is about the intent behind those comments.
People criticizing neymar for ending up in weaker leagues way too early are those that recognize what his career couldve been like.

 

[Maradona37]

I have appended my post. I don’t believe people think he is overrated. It is about the intent behind those comments.
People criticizing neymar for ending up in weaker leagues way too early are those that recognize what his career couldve been like.

No I don't think that's it. Maybe for some the idea is wasted potential. But I genuinely also believe there are many out there who believe (or lie to themselves) that he was always overrated and would lie to your face that Lewandowski is the better player. Because they like Lewa as a person and hate Neymar.

I think Neymar is a total cunt too. I think messi, garrincha, best and maradona are cunts, too. However, the difference between me and most people is I don't let how I feel about a player's personality affect how much I rate them as a footballer. I mean as an example I hate Bellingham, but half that hate is because I feel his ability is well overrated and he's so thick that he buys into the hype. It isn't because I think he's brilliant and hate his attitude and see him 'wasting his potential'. Even if he was a great guy and model pro I believe he has major limits as a footballer. His cuntishness just adds insult to injury.

Another example is Rashford seems a better person than Greenwood. But I don't lie to myself that I think Rashford has more talent as I don't believe that - I believe Greenwood has significantly more natural ability, regardless of him being a scummy twat.

 

[TemporaryFan]

The ce

Who called Neymar overrated? I think all of the criticism stems from him never living up to potential.

But your point is correct. Some players have negative bias against them whether deserved or not. Then have to extra miles to prove themselves compared to others.
Sometimes element of racism, sometimes price tag, sometimes unwilling to concede they were wrong.

What racism again?
Pele, Maradona, Socrates, Magic Johnson, Jordan, Williams sisters, Yannick Noah, Genghis Khan are beyond their race ior color.

 

[Horatio]

The ce
What racism again?
Pele, Maradona, Socrates, Magic Johnson, Jordan, Williams sisters, Yannick Noah, Genghis Khan are beyond their race ir color.

How dumb are you seriously?