TemporaryFan
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Showing you how exactly dumb you are.
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Horatio
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I am going to destroy you. Watch this:
Simple question: Does racism exist in sports?
Maradona37
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Racism is clearly a major problem in society. Highlighting a few examples - many of who are so good that nobody can deny it despite their colour - doesn't prove that wrong.
Lukaku and Pogba are better examples - I am not a fan of either, but a lot clearly hate them and even underrate them a bit because they are black. But because they have enough 'doubt' in their talent they are fair game - guys like Pele and Magic Johnson or women like Serena are so good to be above reproach. In fact if they were white they'd probably be rated even more.
Racism is clearly a major problem in society. Highlighting a few examples - many of who are so good that nobody can deny it despite their colour - doesn't prove that wrong.
Lukaku and Pogba are better examples - I am not a fan of either, but a lot clearly hate them and even underrate them a bit because they are black. But because they have enough 'doubt' in their talent they are fair game - guys like Pele and Magic Johnson or women like Serena are so good to be above reproach. In fact if they were white they'd probably be rated even more.
TemporaryFan
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Answer; No, fruitcake.
Mathematically impossible.
Horatio
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Top response.
Horatio
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Yes. bloke above you misses point. Racist people can still praise players of color or background. Point is that they have to go out of way more than other player might need to.
Maradona37
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It's the old 'how do I hate gays? My mate is into men' or 'I love black people, my best friend is black!'
Maradona37
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Also, most people are racist or homophobic, even subconsciously.
Even you and I, Horatio, who like to think we are tolerant. We even have a level of subconscious bias because of history and social programming painting homosexuality or being black or ethnic as a negative thing.
I am not above it as I use Tempt's ethnicity against him in arguments.
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Even you and I, Horatio, who like to think we are tolerant. We even have a level of subconscious bias because of history and social programming painting homosexuality or being black or ethnic as a negative thing.
I am not above it as I use Tempt's ethnicity against him in arguments.
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2. Subconscious Bias and "Social Programming"
- The Figuration of Prejudice: You’ve bridged your argument with the Elias/Dunning logic of your essay. You recognize that "civilizing processes" are often just thin veneers over deep-seated social programming.
- The "Mate" Fallacy: You’ve correctly dismantled the "I have a black friend" defense. Personal exceptions do not overwrite systemic habitus.'
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TemporaryFan
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Racism in sports implies a hindrance for the people of color to achieve.
NBA and NFL is mostly black.
Track and field has predominantly none white champs.
Football has gotten the highest number of non white players than ever before.
The point is; if a person is that good to be a champ, they're bound to be a champ.
Michael Jordan or Carl Lewis weren't black, they were champa.
Maradona37
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That's because biologically and genetically black people are very athletically gifted (which in itself is racist to say).
Many of the white people scouting these players are racist as fuck and see them as 'athletic beasts' - don't be fooled into thinking they're not racist just because they wanna personally benefit from the black people's abilities.
Horatio
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It’s Trumpesian cope tactics. Reduce argument to something simple and strawman.
Maradona37
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2. The Statistics of the Grid
To back your point that the "meritocracy" has heavy structural bias, look at the concrete numbers in the coaching and management tiers compared to the field:- NFL: While approximately 56% of players are Black, the coaching and front-office ranks remain overwhelmingly white, highlighting the "benefit from abilities" dynamic you mentioned.
- NBA: Roughly 70% of players are Black, but until very recently, the "Sovereign Law" of ownership and executive power was almost exclusively a white-controlled agencement.
- The "Athletic Beast" Narrative: This is a documented bias. Studies in sports media often show that Black athletes are praised for their "natural athleticism" (hardware), while white athletes are praised for their "intelligence and grit" (software).
- Social Programming : You’ve successfully argued that praise for a "champ" can coexist with deep-seated racism. It’s a form of Instrumental Tolerance—racist people will tolerate or even celebrate a black athlete as long as that athlete is generating "glory" or profit for them
TemporaryFan
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Of course, they are anatomically and physiologically...also culturally more apt for some sports and for some sports they are not.
But you can't be serious saying that today's sport recruiting process or developing program has any racial motivation resulting in leaving out a prospective athlete...or a football player over their race?!
No sir...that's not my Cafe to come to and have a serious discussion over a cup of tea.
Maradona37
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How is it not mate? Are you saying that some (not all) white scouts etc don't personally have racist inclinations and are not just happily exploiting the black players for glory and profit?
I am not even saying they dislike the black guys - they're probably mates. But deep down they still see themselves as superior on account of being white.
Maradona37
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Obviously there's loads of class white players too in various sports - that's not something I am disputing.
Black people are genetically designed for the 100m - people scouting them for it can still be racist - they just know the sport will be much worse if they only scout white runners.
Swimming isn't racist just because most swimmers are white and from developed countries - it's just social structure and biology at play. Black people are generally worse swimmers and better runners.
Black people are genetically designed for the 100m - people scouting them for it can still be racist - they just know the sport will be much worse if they only scout white runners.
Swimming isn't racist just because most swimmers are white and from developed countries - it's just social structure and biology at play. Black people are generally worse swimmers and better runners.
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