3 - Alejandro Balde

JamDav1982

Senior Member
For what its worth my mate who has worked on analytics in EPL for years rates Balde very highly and thinks will go on to be top player.

In large part due to his engine and desire to constantly make runs time and again and quality is good and will improve.
 

Maradona37

Well-known member
Football is not at low quality.

Folk remember it with rose tinted spectacles. Refer back to the list of full backs winning CLs in the mid 00s. It awful and that was CL winning teams.
It's more to do with the fact that footballers (including full backs) seem to be prioritised for pace, athleticism, strength, stamina now, than football abilities.

That's just the way the game has gone. It's also not to say those players lack football ability. It's more a reflection on the game being more micro-managed now.

Some people - like @malvolio - prefer football from the moderate to fairly recent past (80s/90s-10s). Others - like @Birdy - subscribe to the view that football like most things gets better over time and right now is the peak of the game - the highest quality it has ever been - and it will continue to evolve and improve.

Myself, I am not fully in either camp. But I do tend to lean more towards malvolio's POV. As people have said it might be nostalgia - but it works the other way too. Recency bias is a big thing and we are constantly told that everything now is the best.

It's weird, because I rate and love Pep as a coach, but he does go a bit too intricate and micro-managed tactically for my liking. I feel players don't have as much freedom now to do what they want (see Grealish) and it hampers some players' potential. Of course, other players have far too much freedom and treat the ball like a hot potato (Bruno Fernandes), but the Portuguese is essentially a 90s player playing in the 2020s.

I just feel there could be more leeway given to players now, that's all. Modern football is still good, but a lot of games bore me. Now, whether that is me getting older and players being young enough to be my son rather than old enough to be my dad, or whether it's because I don't have any tribal bias other than being an ABU, or whether football genuinely is more boring now, is up for debate.

I think a fair point is that the average player is better now, but the very top players of more recent years (Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Neymar, Modric and Ronaldo and maybe a few others aside) are not as good as the elite players of the past. However, if the average player's floor is higher now, that also makes it tougher now for the best players to get the best of them. So it is hard to say.

Ultimately it is a game of opinions and - for whatever reason - malvolio, myself and Barcaman just don't enjoy football as much anymore. All three of us have quite jaded personalities, and are critical of stuff. But I think there's an element of what I have said above too.

In saying all of this, I am excited for the CL draw tomorrow.

@delancey @Fati_Future_BallonDor @Messi983 @Loki @Don Juan Laporta Estruch @FinBarcelonafan (and anyone else) any thoughts on what I have said?
 
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draconifire

NTC with a Positive attitude
My view is Football as in tactically, is in a much higher level than what you get around the 90s. Keep in mind, I am talking about tactics and taking it as a team.
The avg player in football in today's age is of a higher level than that of the 90s.

Having said that, the cream players (ie top 10%)of that time might be better than the top10% you get these days. Probbaly the reason is since 2010s the emergence of Pep's system which has been mostly replicated by most teams, hinders players to express themselves. Hence, the ceiling of those top 10% players rarely gets tested to know if there is more to go.

But when you talk about those top 1% players, ie Messi, Neymar, CR7, Mbappe, and Yamal. I think they are again better than the top1% of the 90s. Simple reason is that technology and the quality of everything else have increased 100 fold that inorder to be in that top1% you have to be quite special.

The game has essentially nullified individual brilliance, because the teams tactically are so superior that they can easily counter act against one. Thats the reason 90s you were able to.
But those 1% players who are so good that they outshine the team despite those teams setting up tactically against one.

Edit: Mbabpe might be controversial here. But you get my gist
 

Porque

Senior Member
Football has just evolved. Look at that Liverpool kid. 16, built like an ox but technique is incredible and quick in his actions.

15 years ago you didn't get that kind of package breaking through.

We had someone like Adama for example, but his tactical discipline wasn't there. While now these kids are tactically drilled, from 5 years old. Rightly or wrongly.
 

Maradona37

Well-known member
My view is Football as in tactically, is in a much higher level than what you get around the 90s. Keep in mind, I am talking about tactics and taking it as a team.
The avg player in football in today's age is of a higher level than that of the 90s.

Having said that, the cream players (ie top 10%)of that time might be better than the top10% you get these days. Probbaly the reason is since 2010s the emergence of Pep's system which has been mostly replicated by most teams, hinders players to express themselves. Hence, the ceiling of those top 10% players rarely gets tested to know if there is more to go.

But when you talk about those top 1% players, ie Messi, Neymar, CR7, Mbappe, and Yamal. I think they are again better than the top1% of the 90s. Simple reason is that technology and the quality of everything else have increased 100 fold that inorder to be in that top1% you have to be quite special.

The game has essentially nullified individual brilliance, because the teams tactically are so superior that they can easily counter act against one. Thats the reason 90s you were able to.
But those 1% players who are so good that they outshine the team despite those teams setting up tactically against one.

Edit: Mbabpe might be controversial here. But you get my gist
Thoughtful post. I don't agree with everything but gave you a like as I agree with some of it and you made intelligent points.

The game is definitely more tactical now. I am in two minds, because I like tactical thought, but feel there needs to be more room for off the cuff expression too. Maybe the balance has never been right and it has gone too far the other way.

Just one thing about the top 1 percent - that leans into thinking football has got better so those top 1 percent are better. But do you honestly think Mbappe, Yamal (at the moment as he has loads of talent but still has a lot to do) and even CR are as good or better as the likes of Pele, Maradona, R9?

My view is that a special player i.e. top 1 percent, transcends generations. Maradona would look brilliant today, as good as Messi potentially (if he had the mindset of a player born in the 1980s or 1990s). As much as I loathe him, Cristiano Ronaldo would look great in previous generations too. Ditto, Messi, R9, Garrincha, Best, Zidane and all those other 1 percenters.

I think when it comes to true all-time greats, they are transcendent of generation. They define eras and often define how the game is played. For example Ronaldo played a large part in bringing back the inverted winger (not just him, guys like Robben too, but he played his part) and Messi with Pep popularised the false 9 role again in our era.
 

Andresito

Senior Member
Staff member
My view is Football as in tactically, is in a much higher level than what you get around the 90s. Keep in mind, I am talking about tactics and taking it as a team.
The avg player in football in today's age is of a higher level than that of the 90s.

Having said that, the cream players (ie top 10%)of that time might be better than the top10% you get these days. Probbaly the reason is since 2010s the emergence of Pep's system which has been mostly replicated by most teams, hinders players to express themselves. Hence, the ceiling of those top 10% players rarely gets tested to know if there is more to go.

But when you talk about those top 1% players, ie Messi, Neymar, CR7, Mbappe, and Yamal. I think they are again better than the top1% of the 90s. Simple reason is that technology and the quality of everything else have increased 100 fold that inorder to be in that top1% you have to be quite special.

The game has essentially nullified individual brilliance, because the teams tactically are so superior that they can easily counter act against one. Thats the reason 90s you were able to.
But those 1% players who are so good that they outshine the team despite those teams setting up tactically against one.

Edit: Mbabpe might be controversial here. But you get my gist
The average player level should be a lot higher these days. Scouting is heavily globalized thus the pool of players is much bigger which means the worst players in a squad can easily get replaced by better ones. In terms of professional teams the squads also need to be more competitive with more games and also with the increase of bench size, from 3/5 to 12 which leads to a higher demand of players.

Everything is getting more and more optimized. From diets and discipline, to recovery, training and tactics. Nowadays there are 10s of deep analyses from nerds on Youtube after we play a relegation fodder so if you want to stand out in terms of analytics in the club you need to bring something different to the table. Of course that brings another element to tactics.

Also believe there are natural cycles in football. Players born in 80s contain many players that are considered top 5 OAT in their positions whereas 90s has been mostly mediocre in comparison and only good in early years of the decade (Kroos, KDB, Hazard, Neymar, Kane, Courtois, Alisson, VVD). 2000s will be stronger than 1993-1999 I'm sure.
 

Maradona37

Well-known member
Also believe there are natural cycles in football. Players born in 80s contain many players that are considered top 5 OAT in their positions whereas 90s has been mostly mediocre in comparison and only good in early years of the decade (Kroos, KDB, Hazard, Neymar, Kane, Courtois, Alisson, VVD). 2000s will be stronger than 1993-1999 I'm sure.
Good observation. I had noticed that subconsciously about the 80s and early 90s as against the mid and late 90s, as you imply.

Could it be something to do with mid to late 90s being the 'start of Gen Z'. Are there maybe cultural reasons for it? Maybe not as you note 2000s is a return to form.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
There is precisely zero chance he is not being called up due to too many Barca players.

Intl coaches absolutely love a nucleus of players from one squad and familiarity that brings.

There are three players in there that are not starters for Barca when all fit.. he wouldnt be choosing them and leaving out Balde for that reason.
 

serghei

Senior Member
His most elite attribute is penetrative runs on the ball. He constantly breaks lines of preasure due to his great pace and good technique. Due to this, despite being a defender, you cannot treat him lightly when he's on the ball, as he is a threat on his own.

This greatly benefits our attacking game.
 

Barcaman

Administrator
Staff member
Apparently "best lb in the world" by Catalan press is not even 3rd or 4th best in Spain.

Hyping is normal but can be also detrimental to weak minded players.

Time will tell.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Joan Garcia is not worse than three of the GKs in that squad either.

It comes down to how long been in squad and type of player want also.

He isnt the best LB in the world though.
 

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