23 - Jules Kounde
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JamDav1982
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Kounde was slack defensively all night.
To play up against a winger like that and not make one tackle while failing offside trap is not good enough.
Cubarsi man did nothing on the 3rd and it was Gerard not Gavi I think.
Even then Gerard at least challenged while Kounde just sat flat footed no idea where Dortmund players were.
To play up against a winger like that and not make one tackle while failing offside trap is not good enough.
Cubarsi man did nothing on the 3rd and it was Gerard not Gavi I think.
Even then Gerard at least challenged while Kounde just sat flat footed no idea where Dortmund players were.
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Gazzznigga
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Lol.... Oleguer won the effing UCL, Arbeloa won the damn World Cup. Some of their own team mates still regarded them as training "cones" then and till date
Its not by what you win but by contributions. I haven't seen anything yet to warrant that adjective "brilliant" for Kounde, sorry.
Guisipie Signori,Socrates and Thomas Hassler were "brilliant" players that never won anything of substance for their clubs in their illustrious careers. I would accept the use of that adjective for those or similar others like them in that realm.. I know it is contextual but my own standards are not that low to regard a player as brilliant just for being a "runner" or just being a member of a successful campaign.
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serghei
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On the first goal Kounde doesn't break the line for nothing. He had to track a free runner for Dortmund on his side. What was he supposed to do? Leave the runner all alone? He ran with him and fecked up the offside line. A good action by Adeyemi I think, because he feinted the pass to the wide runner and played inside instead. It happens. Not that big of an error.
Whole defense got played and didn't adjust well to what Adeyemi did.
When you have a runner that is not offside and he makes a dangerous run and the pass is for sure on, you follow him. That's the immediate danger.
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JamDav1982
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Cubarsi was the better of the lot for me and about not only defensively but under the pressure Dortmund put on them.
He wasnt amazing either.
Having a decent season and not shite just find him a frustrating watch at times.
Think he gets made out to be a far better defensive RB than he is and bot/cold on ball.
Fucking hard to even list who the top full backs in world these days are though.
He wasnt amazing either.
Having a decent season and not shite just find him a frustrating watch at times.
Think he gets made out to be a far better defensive RB than he is and bot/cold on ball.
Fucking hard to even list who the top full backs in world these days are though.
Gazzznigga
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😆..... pointing out weaknesses in a player is not trash talking, at least from what I do. I may require a bigger sample to form an opinion in a player unlike many others, but tucking out a player's weaknesses is compeletely different from thrash talking except you are using that that phrase unliterarily.The Barca fans that trash talk him better pray he doesn't get injured.
Is there anyone in the team that played more minutes than Jules?
That said, using a player for extended period without rest is not perfectly synonymous with how important such a player is, it could be a sign of poor squad planning as in the case of Barca.
Not investing or being able to produce a capable player to allow Kounde and Balde rest well enough is an evidence of poor decision-making in the summer. Even world class players that are lifelines of their clubs like Oblak are rested in cup competitions.
JamDav1982
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He did in game when they probably should have scored.
serghei
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You mean in the home game when Guirassy fluffed the shot?
serghei
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First goal of Dortmund, and the pen incident is a good tactical analysis opportunity to see when you should switch from offside line to traditional defense depending on opposition making a move that should trigger this switch.
Photo 1. Adeyemi is not pressured on the ball by either Yamal and Fermin. Fermin in particular is ball watching. De Jong is too close to Araujo for some reason. So Kounde steps up to close him down.
Doing so, he realizes there is a Dortmund player that escapes Yamal and makes a move in space to receive the ball. He is obviously on side, so Kounde stops from blocking Adeyemi from advancing dangerously inside, and tracks his run instead. Now, the nice detail from Adeyemi is that he feints a pass to the wide teammate that tricks Kounde, and stays on the ball himself, as we move to photo 2.
Photo 2. Kounde closes that player down, but the issue is now Adeyemi wa able to advance on the ball unpressed and go inside, which he did. And now he is in a position from which he plays a dangerous through ball to Pascal Gross.
The main issue is that the 3 players in defense still play offside line, even though the run of the Dortmud player and the Kounde move to close him down renders this line ineffective. When Kounde makes a move to block the wide run, the 3 players in central defense should have switched to a traditional defense. Cubarsi for example, should have Pascal Gross in front of him. Not like in the picture here. All three should have dropped back at the level of Kounde.
That's how I interpret the 1st goal. It's more a fuck-up by the central defenders than Kounde. Especially Araujo and Cubarsi. Although you could also give credit to Dortmund for exploiting very well our defensive issues when we have to change from offside line to traditional defense.
Photo 1. Adeyemi is not pressured on the ball by either Yamal and Fermin. Fermin in particular is ball watching. De Jong is too close to Araujo for some reason. So Kounde steps up to close him down.
Doing so, he realizes there is a Dortmund player that escapes Yamal and makes a move in space to receive the ball. He is obviously on side, so Kounde stops from blocking Adeyemi from advancing dangerously inside, and tracks his run instead. Now, the nice detail from Adeyemi is that he feints a pass to the wide teammate that tricks Kounde, and stays on the ball himself, as we move to photo 2.
Photo 2. Kounde closes that player down, but the issue is now Adeyemi wa able to advance on the ball unpressed and go inside, which he did. And now he is in a position from which he plays a dangerous through ball to Pascal Gross.
The main issue is that the 3 players in defense still play offside line, even though the run of the Dortmud player and the Kounde move to close him down renders this line ineffective. When Kounde makes a move to block the wide run, the 3 players in central defense should have switched to a traditional defense. Cubarsi for example, should have Pascal Gross in front of him. Not like in the picture here. All three should have dropped back at the level of Kounde.
That's how I interpret the 1st goal. It's more a fuck-up by the central defenders than Kounde. Especially Araujo and Cubarsi. Although you could also give credit to Dortmund for exploiting very well our defensive issues when we have to change from offside line to traditional defense.
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serghei
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You could probably say Kounde should have moved faster there and should have got back inline quicker, or you could say that the central defenders should have reacted better and dropped their line closer to goal so they could have the Dortmund players in front of them instead of allowing them to make a run completely unmarked.
It is a team weakness that's for sure. Far too focused on offside line even in situations where it is not beneficial. It gets exposed pretty easily like this. One fake run to trigger a response from us which breaks the offside line. This unlocks basically all strikers who were previously offside and are now unmarked and onside just by one good decision and a good pass in space by the player on the ball. Happened before.
It is a team weakness that's for sure. Far too focused on offside line even in situations where it is not beneficial. It gets exposed pretty easily like this. One fake run to trigger a response from us which breaks the offside line. This unlocks basically all strikers who were previously offside and are now unmarked and onside just by one good decision and a good pass in space by the player on the ball. Happened before.
serghei
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Btw, if Kounde doesn't track the run, Dortmund could have scored a similar goal to how AM did it with Sorloth 2 times vs us.
Just play the pass to the wide runner, that player plays a common low cross at 10m, and Gross or Guirassy who are not marked well by Araujo and Cubarsi get an easy tap in.
Just play the pass to the wide runner, that player plays a common low cross at 10m, and Gross or Guirassy who are not marked well by Araujo and Cubarsi get an easy tap in.
JamDav1982
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Dont agree on most of that but cant be arsed even discussing it either way.
So fairs fair.
So fairs fair.
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