10 - Lamine Yamal

serghei

Senior Member
Of course you neee individual quality, all winners have a lot of that. You don't need hero ball though. You need multiple top players to mark a difference and also work hard for the team. Not stars who think some rules don't apply to them.

Last season he was maybe the best, very close to Raphinha, you can pick either. Not by far at all, considering Raph had an insane number of match impacting contributions in big games.

This season, one got dominated by defenders in bigger games, and the other missed over half of those to injuries. Far from what they showed last year.

It is insane how casually Lamine gives away the ball in bad positions with some stupid trivela shit knowing full well how bad we are in defense. How that is tolerated time and time again is baffling.

Losing the ball cheaply with our high line is just asking for trouble. And lately we found the trouble we were looking for.
 
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Masetro10

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People are still peddling the Yamal declined this year BS. Maybe people are just blind and need ro see some comparison.

But but Olise has 21 assists. Yes but is it Yamal's fault he has more big chances created than Olise for example? Once Barca gets a prime age mobile striker Yamal is going to cook on biblical levels
 

MonteCuler

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People are still peddling the Yamal declined this year BS. Maybe people are just blind and need ro see some comparison.

But but Olise has 21 assists. Yes but is it Yamal's fault he has more big chances created than Olise for example? Once Barca gets a prime age mobile striker Yamal is going to cook on biblical levels
Olise plays next to lethal finishers like Kane and Diaz while Yamal plays next to morons who need 5 big chances to score a goal like Ferran, Fermin, Olmo, Rashford etc. Whoever brings up this stats nonsense in comparison with Olise is braindead. Yamal did it in less games too. Look at succ. dribbles too, as much as Olise and Vini combined while having less games than both.

He is unreal but like I said it his standards are currently at a higher level than any other footballer on the planet because he is the true football phenomenon and people are aware what he is capable of. So even when he performs "good", which is for mosz other footballers outrageous, a lot of people still want him to do better
 

ZenI

Professor Balthazar
Olise plays next to lethal finishers like Kane and Diaz while Yamal plays next to morons who need 5 big chances to score a goal like Ferran, Fermin, Olmo, Rashford etc. Whoever brings up this stats nonsense in comparison with Olise is braindead. Yamal did it in less games too. Look at succ. dribbles too, as much as Olise and Vini combined while having less games than both.

He is unreal but like I said it his standards are currently at a higher level than any other footballer on the planet because he is the true football phenomenon and people are aware what he is capable of. So even when he performs "good", which is for mosz other footballers outrageous, a lot of people still want him to do better
You're gay!
 

serghei

Senior Member
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People are still peddling the Yamal declined this year BS. Maybe people are just blind and need ro see some comparison.

But but Olise has 21 assists. Yes but is it Yamal's fault he has more big chances created than Olise for example? Once Barca gets a prime age mobile striker Yamal is going to cook on biblical levels

It is really not that simple. You need far more extensive stats. Percentage of attacks that go through each of those players to achieve those numbers, loss of possessions, where that happens, (for example turnovers in 1st and 2nd thirds are way worse than turnovers near the opponent's box) and so on.

Also, percentages help more. One guy that makes 4 out of 6 dribbles he attempts, is better than one that makes 8 out of 15 in terms of efficiency. Dribbling way more than you should is a downside, not the great thing some believe. People ignore what happens when the ball is lost way too often. All those things count, as does workrate, km run per game, everything.

Yamal is a very good player, this doesn't mean he is not class, and one of the best wingers in the world. Just that he develops habits in his game that he should be very careful with. It happens more than it should for teammates to occupy high positions and for him to try some fancy stuff and lose the ball. If you do that in that moment, this is almost surely a big chance for the opponent the way we play.

I don't frankly care about his individual numbers taken out of context. We have been bad this season in big games, and this includes him. And before people say Raphinha bla bla or something, he hasn't been good either. It's a fact. Several players have been considerably worse this season vs last one vs stronger opponents. This either changes, and they improve and the team along with them, or another big defeat will follow vs the wrong type of teams to make those errors against.
 
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Masetro10

Member
It is really not that simple. You need far more extensive stats. Percentage of attacks that go through each of those players to achieve those numbers, loss of possessions, where that happens, (for example turnovers in 1st and 2nd thirds are way worse than turnovers near the opponent's box) and so on.

Also, percentages help more. One guy that makes 4 out of 6 dribbles he attempts, is better than one that makes 8 out of 15 in terms of efficiency. Dribbling way more than you should is a downside, not the great thing some believe. People ignore what happens when the ball is lost way too often. All those things count, as does workrate, km run per game, everything.

Yamal is a very good player, this doesn't mean he is not class, and one of the best wingers in the world. Just that he develops habits in his game that he should be very careful with. It happens more than it should for teammates to occupy high positions and for him to try some fancy stuff and lose the ball. If you do that in that moment, this is almost surely a big chance for the opponent the way we play.

I don't frankly care about his individual numbers taken out of context. We have been bad this season in big games, and this includes him. And before people say Raphinha bla bla or something, he hasn't been good either. It's a fact. Several players have been considerably worse this season vs last one vs stronger opponents. This either changes, and they improve and the team along with them, or another big defeat will follow vs the wrong type of teams to make those errors against.
What big game isn't easily explainable by just noticing one or more of Raphinha/Pedri/Lewa have been missing from every big game. So naturally we aren't going to play well.

1st clasico
Chelsea
PSG
Atletico Copa

We have them in Atleti La Liga and 2nd Clasico and we won both. It's just that simple
 

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