10 - Lamine Yamal

[serghei]

How do you gauge his productivity?

You really can't objectively. But I can look at goals and assists. Where are the goals and assists in big games this season? They're completely missing.

Why did he score them last season, but this season he isn't yet? That would be a valid question to me.

 

[JamDav1982]

You really can't objectively. But I can look at goals and assists. Where are the goals and assists in big games this season? They're completely missing.

Why did he score them last season, but this season he isn't yet? That would be a valid question to me.

As said... rely on other for assists also.

Ferran sitter v Chelsea. Ferran miss v PSG when 1v1 from world class pass. Kounde failing to control ball from world class pass in dying minutes v Real.

Also what are important games?

Away to Villareal not important when been better team in league than Ateltico to that point?

Away to Brugge when could win Barca game but cant defend?

 

[serghei]

Most in league? You seriously believe that?

Lewandowski probably has him best already.

But it’s not going to prove much anyway.

That he losses the ball most often? I would be very surprised to see another player with higher numbers of turnovers. Lewa is not even close probably.

 

[serghei]

As said... rely on other for assists also.

Ferran sitter v Chelsea. Ferran miss v PSG when 1v1 from world class pass. Kounde failing to control ball from world class pass in dying minutes v Real.

If he didn't even do that... with all the action he's getting on the ball we'd be talking about him being complete shite in the big games. He has maybe 1-2 top top actions a game. Very low.

Team looked arguably more balanced without him also.

Newcastle win, Betis away win, Bilbao trashing in the Supercup, all without him and some of our best games this season.

 

[JamDav1982]

That he losses the ball most often? I would be very surprised to see another player with higher numbers of turnovers. Lewa is not even close probably.

Ball loses are going to happen more often when best dribbling, passing and creative player.

 

[MonteCuler]

And another problem for Yamal is that not all his successful dribbles lead to dangerous actions because he overdoes it. If he makes a succession of 3 dribbles, 2 succeeded, and 1 failed, he made 2 dribbles but with 0 benefit for the team since at the 3rd dribble he lost the ball.

And sometimes fans assume he could have released the ball after that 2nd dribble when he really couldn't do it

Remember, this guy knows a little bit more about playing football than we do. When people think he is showboating maybe he is just looking for a better position

Speaking of this I also have a concerete example. I watched this supercup game v Real with my brother and when Yamal had that super dribble on Camavinga and Vini he said "he could have passed the ball, just wants to showboat" and I told him there is no fucking chance he could have passed especially with his right foot so he tried to get a better position by getting past Vini

To me it's bizzare when so many people speak of what this guy should and shouldn't do with the ball as if he's not a fucking master at this game while we for the most part suck at it. His workrate and his level of commitment and dedication, this is what we can observe

 

[Horatio]

Team looked arguably more balanced without him also.

lol is taking me back to 2015/2016 season when people said that about Messi

 

[serghei]

Ball loses are going to happen more often when best dribbling, passing and creative player.

I'm waiting for the end product. He's an attacker. Attacker score goals and help directly to create goals. Without that, he's half the player. Some may not like it, but I stick to that. So, preferably goals, and assists.

I can be sympathetic if some players (Raphinha, Ferran) stupidly miss chances he sets on a plate for them, but not enough of that in big games either for the amount of actions that go through him.

For me, his end product has taken a dive in big games this season. And that's what the big players do.

 

[Temptation]

If he didn't even do that... with all the action he's getting on the ball we'd be talking about him being complete shite in the big games. He has maybe 1-2 top top actions a game. Very low.

Team looked arguably more balanced without him also.

Newcastle win, Betis away win, Bilbao trashing in the Supercup, all without him and some of our best games this season.

Lamine Yamal in the big games this season: 👀😳

• 0 G/A vs Atlético Madrid. (CDR)
• 0 G/A vs Real Madrid. (Supercup)
• 0 G/A vs Atlético Madrid.
• 0 G/A vs Chelsea.
• 0 G/A vs Espanyol
• 0 G/A vs Real Madrid.
• 0 G/A vs PSG.

 

[JamDav1982]

I'm waiting for the end product. He's an attacker. Attacker score goals and help directly to create goals. Without that, he's half the player. Some may not like it, but I stick to that. So, preferably goals, and assists.

I can be sympathetic if some players (Raphinha, Ferran) stupidly miss chances he sets on a plate for them, but not enough of that in big games either for the amount of actions that go through him.

End product relies on team mates also as said.

Had big actions in all those games.

Best player in the big games also and far far more productive than likes of Raph at intl level to date.

 

[gatsu]

I don’t understand why we’re still debating what Yamal brings to the team. He is arguably our best player by far. Just ask the big teams that have faced him, they consistently double- or even triple-mark him.


People seem to forget that we’re asking him to perform miracles every single match, and that’s essentially what he has been doing, especially considering the catastrophic level of our right-back and forward positions.

 

[vegitot]

I'm waiting for the end product. He's an attacker. Attacker score goals and help directly to create goals. Without that, he's half the player. Some may not like it, but I stick to that. So, preferably goals, and assists.

I can be sympathetic if some players (Raphinha, Ferran) stupidly miss chances he sets on a plate for them, but not enough of that in big games either for the amount of actions that go through him.

For me, his end product has taken a dive in big games this season. And that's what the big players do.

Most chances created + big chances created in the team (and whole Laliga).

If you focus on just "big games", then:

Vs Qsg, 1 big chance for Ferran.

Vs RM in the league, 1 great pass to Kounde at the end which could be a big chance if Kounde didn't miscontrol the ball.

Vs Chelsea, 1 sitter created for Ferran right beginning of the match.

Vs Atletico in the league, 2 big chances created.

Vs RM in super cup, 1 big chance created.

So he mostly created chances for his teammates. Not his fault if they can't convert.

 

[vegitot]

No, but it's still a big negative. Even dribblers have to be subjected to productivity questions. Just because you can beat players doesn't mean you always have to try beating your man. For example 7/10 made dribbles with 3 turnovers is better than 10/18 with 8 turnovers.

Some fans don't care about turnovers and blame defenders. Maybe the defense wouldn't be as shit if some players wouldn't give the ball away so cheaply at times.

And another problem for Yamal is that not all his successful dribbles lead to dangerous actions because he overdoes it. If he makes a succession of 3 dribbles, 2 succeeded, and 1 failed, he made 2 dribbles but with 0 benefit for the team since at the 3rd dribble attempt he lost the ball.

Yamal has highest number of ball carrying end up with shots, chances created for his team in Laliga.

He doesn't show off with his dribbles. He help the team to progress the ball and break opponent's defense.

Claiming Yamal's dribble is useless is just stupid.

 

[Iniesta Ultra]

He has more dribbles due to "Neymar effect" wheh he gets the ball deep, dribbles past 3 players and he still has 8 opponents infront of him.

I guess that a majority of his dribbles this season are dribbles which have led to nothing.
Showboating-Neymaresque dribbles in the center of the field.

have some shame for your talentless P&P anti-football views

 

[JamDav1982]

If any team in world had a choice of Barca player to sign every one of them are choosing Yamal and it wouldnt take much time to deliberate.