10 - Lamine Yamal

[jormatar]

Shitty situtation. Hopefully his back problems will
be taken care of now with more care and Lamine himself knows better when to sit games from now on.

Most of the blame goes to Spain coaching staff for playing him despite knowing he isn't 100% but from what I've seen Lamine doesn't really want to skip games or be subbed off unless he can't walk anymore. Anyone remember last season when he suffered that ankle injury and kept playing for a while when it was clear in his movement that something was off.

 

[Nello]

Un fisio del Barça trata a Lamine en la Selección

Fernando Galán trata al jugador en el equipo azulgrana y en La Roja

www.marca.com

lol

It makes no sense. Why would the same physio then not allow him to play tommorow or even train in between games with the NT.

If he isn’t able to train, he shouldn’t play easy NT matches, its that simple.

Also, Marca.

 

[Gnidrologist]

So his injury is between the legs? Maybe he was fucking too hard during vacation. The hormone storm and all that.

 

[zanela]

I have never quite understood the criticism of Flick w.r.t injuries. He tried to make the most of his thin squad last season. He could have probably subbed out certain players slightly more than he did. But I don't think fatigue or overplaying was a major factor towards the end result. Balde, for instance, was the most subbed out defender last season who was rotated as and when possible and also spared from international duty. There is not much Flick or any manager can do if your player is injury-prone and gets injured in spite of minutes taken care of. Koundé, on the other hand, could be said was overplayed, but he didn't have an able back-up until Flick began to play Eric there out of necessity. And we certainly didn't lose CL semis due to Koundé's absence.

This season the depth is better and the rotation is more pronounced. If Flick didn't care about his players' well-being, he would have given Gavi more minutes than he did and played Bernal already. But he's shown to be cautious regarding injuries and managed his available squad prudently. Just the usual suspects seizing any opportunity they get.

As for Lamine's current predicament, every player is responsible for his own fitness first and foremost -from exercising a certain degree of caution and discipline in his private life (esp as a prof. athlete) to conveying any physical lapses or discomfort to the professionals (NT or otherwise), with full transparency. If as a player you are being treated in parity with your more experienced teammates, and also have no qualms in being bold and provocative in front of a mic, then your age can't have you totally absolved of your responsibility in matters of maintaining fitness which is paramount for a prof. athlete. He bears just as much culpability for this latest mismanagement as the NT staff.

 

[serghei]

I agree. The team did not look gassed at any point last season imo. But... it is very hard to keep playing full tilt for 2 seasons consecutively like Flick demands. That's 120 games or so he expects the team to press non stop? A bit delusional. A bigger squad, more rotation, or some tactical adjustments are needed. Bigger squad means expensive transfers, and that's impossible atm. So the best solution is for the manager to change some things about the setup.

The team's drop in intensity is very likely to be also caused by the exhausting style of football Flick demands at all times. More over this issue is gonna be seen pretty soon.

 

[jamrock]

I have never quite understood the criticism of Flick w.r.t injuries. He tried to make the most of his thin squad last season. He could have probably subbed out certain players slightly more than he did. But I don't think fatigue or overplaying was a major factor towards the end result. Balde, for instance, was the most subbed out defender last season who was rotated as and when possible and also spared from international duty. There is not much Flick or any manager can do if your player is injury-prone and gets injured in spite of minutes taken care of. Koundé, on the other hand, could be said was overplayed, but he didn't have an able back-up until Flick began to play Eric there out of necessity. And we certainly didn't lose CL semis due to Koundé's absence.

This season the depth is better and the rotation is more pronounced. If Flick didn't care about his players' well-being, he would have given Gavi more minutes than he did and played Bernal already. But he's shown to be cautious regarding injuries and managed his available squad prudently. Just the usual suspects seizing any opportunity they get.

As for Lamine's current predicament, every player is responsible for his own fitness first and foremost -from exercising a certain degree of caution and discipline in his private life (esp as a prof. athlete) to conveying any physical lapses or discomfort to the professionals (NT or otherwise), with full transparency. If as a player you are being treated in parity with your more experienced teammates, and also have no qualms in being bold and provocative in front of a mic, then your age can't have you totally absolved of your responsibility in matters of maintaining fitness which is paramount for a prof. athlete. He bears just as much culpability for this latest mismanagement as the NT staff.

Nah, he 10000% overplayed players; not even his biggest fan can deny that. The amount of games we won by 3+ goals where he could have made subs...

Or games we were winning late and, instead of telling the players to keep possession, we were running and gunning for no reason.

He did a lot of good but utilized the squad poorly.

Even players he didn't rate, like Fati or Torre, could have come on in games that were done and dusted.

Poor Kounde couldn't get a break because he thought Fort was so poor; he wouldn't be subbed on in games we were winning comfortably, and he didn't stumble on Garcia at RB until late in the season.

 

[Barcaman]

He keeps making some dumb decisions but yeah, hopefully he learns.

He won't be another Messi that's for sure. Closer to Ronaldinho, Romario or Neymar.

 

[MadridistaCule]

This guy will win Ballon 100 percent but there's no new Messi,atleast not in our lifetime.

Hopefully he's back soon.

 

[serghei]

Depends, Neymar got no Ballon and he still decided his job in football is done and took the party mode route.

 

[MadridistaCule]

If Yamal works hard he's guaranteed for atleast 1 award. Maybe much more.

That's what my football expertise tells me.

 

[Nello]

Do people here think Yamal would have played in spite of the medical staff advising him not to?
If the medical staff did their job well, it should go like this:

Lamine feels pain, tells the staff (cuz they gave painkillers), the staff hopefully does a thorough examination, and then informs Lamine of their hypothesis/diagnosis and potential risks of playing (injury getting worse and risk of missing game vs newcastle less than 14 days away). De La Fuente is informed, Lamine doesn't train with the team.

Do you guys really then think Lamine goes up to the coach, defies the advice of the staff, and then asks to start the game and get painkillers?

 

[jaype]

Do people here think Yamal would have played in spite of the medical staff advising him not to?
If the medical staff did their job well, it should go like this:

Lamine feels pain, tells the staff (cuz they gave painkillers), the staff hopefully does a thorough examination, and then informs Lamine of their hypothesis/diagnosis and potential risks of playing (injury getting worse and risk of missing game vs newcastle less than 14 days away). De La Fuente is informed, Lamine doesn't train with the team.

Do you guys really then think Lamine goes up to the coach, defies the advice of the staff, and then asks to start the game and get painkillers?

Stop making sense. The people here putting any blame whatsoever on Lamine are clueless.

 

[zanela]

National Federations are free-loaders at this point. Being administered pain killers while at the same time unable to train between matches should raise red flag for any player with some IQ and reason. He reserves the right to decline playing matches under such circumstances esp if they are of low importance. His priority should always be club over country. Without the former, there is no match fitness, no salary, no rehabilitation, and ultimately no football career. It's his club exploits that even gets him a place in NT. By choosing to play while having discomfort regardless of what he was communicated or not by the NT staff implicates him in this fiasco.
Stop reducing footballers to some cattle or juvenile beings, who only do as they as told. They have agency and ability to make their own choices and should use it to advance their career rather than seeking short-term rewards to satisfy their NT.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Exactly. Why risk him? Turkey game wasn't even must win. Draw would have been more than good too and Spain still has a lot of quality even without Lamine. It's just stupid.

 

[MonteCuler]

Funny how people talk of his ego and whatnot but most likely thing to fuck his career, if it happens, is definitely horrible treatment from people who want to do absolutely nothing with the fact that behind their enormous wealth and football industry are living human beings. A long serious injury or a long streak of little injuries is all it takes

DLF only proves again what a shit manager he is. Lucky to have inherited an incredible generation upon his arrival. Forcing someone to play Bulgaria and Turkey is low for you as a manager. Could be DLF knows without certain players he would not adapt and surprising results would emerge. But if you do it, at least sub him off when you see both games are done by half time