European Super League

malvolio said:

hopefully the naive fans can understand now that it is all about money, regardless of the path chosen by the 'mighty' EPL clubs. once UEFA sweetened the deal and found a couple of billions stashed under the mattress it was games over. with the TV deal they got plus 4 UCL spots + added billions, they are set either way.

the likes of ozil can tweet now safe in the know that he saved football. all this while turkish fans gather money through sms to pay his fat salary.

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It's frankly astonishing Uefa and these EPL clowns managed to sell such a story to fans. Pathetic, meek "we couldn't do it without fans" statements. We've been played and Perez and co. are to blame.

The gap with the EPL will only rise this way.

Sterlingfan2000 said:

I guess we're so broke , that we can't pay the fine so we need to stay until the end

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Exactly. Probably nothing to do with how things are going.

Sterlingfan2000 said:

I guess we're so broke , that we can't pay the fine so we need to stay until the end

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Nah... Our board can call the meeting and vote to pull out of the competition.

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El Gato said:

What's decency got to do with it? If he had decency he'd prepare a better format.

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No breakaway concept from Perez or PL owners which they are adminstering can ever acceptable, regardless how fantastically they planned it. These people do not care about competetive football or the fans. At any point, whatever they suggest or do is never for the good of football, but always for their own good..

We're not rats fleeing a sinking ship

Mes que un club

Yannik said:

No breakaway concept from Perez or PL owners which they are adminstering can ever acceptable, regardless how fantastically they planned it. These people do not care about competetive football or the fans. At any point, whatever they suggest or do is never for the good of football, but always for their own good..

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I agree and I'd only support it if they were legally bound to relinquish the control to a 3rd party organisation.
Format certainly was the biggest realistic problem because even if participants are also governors, it is still possible to have fair competition. Any illusion of that was removed as soon as it became clear it's a league for casuals to watch rich folks play.

That being said - this is not a win for football by any means.
EPL will still grow in power and marginalise Spain & Italy as well as others. Germany shouldn't be treated as the last bastion remaining bastion of fairness either, because it'll never feel like one anyway.

Joan said:

We're not rats fleeing a sinking ship

Mes que un club

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exactly

El Gato said:

I agree and I'd only support it if they were legally bound to relinquish the control to a 3rd party organisation.
Format certainly was the biggest realistic problem because even if participants are also governors, it is still possible to have fair competition. Any illusion of that was removed as soon as it became clear it's a league for casuals to watch rich folks play.

That being said - this is not a win for football by any means.
EPL will still grow in power and marginalise Spain & Italy as well as others. Germany shouldn't be treated as the last bastion remaining bastion of fairness either, because it'll never feel like one anyway.

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It isnt a win as much as it is the smaller loss. So hopes are that the whole thing at least put up some reform desire to leave the status quo. PL fans for the first time ever discuss 50+1 and there is a government that is seemingly interested in the idea. Which IF correctly introduced is a big deal not only for them, but the entirety of Europe. From there more tweaks into the right direction must be made. Maybe in the end we all thank Perez for at least stirring some shit and make people question modern football.

Joan said:

We're not rats fleeing a sinking ship

Mes que un club

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Mes que un club for a reason

Andrea Agnelli, Super League vice chairman and Juventus chairman, has just told Reuters that they can no longer progress with the Super League after the exit of the 6 English clubs. @sgevans



Super League in the mud!

Yannik said:

It isnt a win as much as it is the smaller loss. So hopes are that the whole thing at least put up some reform desire to leave the status quo. PL fans for the first time ever discuss 50+1 and there is a government that is seemingly interested in the idea. Which IF correctly introduced is a big deal not only for them, but the entirety of Europe. From there more tweaks into the right direction must be made. Maybe in the end we all thank Perez for at least stirring some shit and make people question modern football.

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Don't know how you can impose 50+1 retroactively. How long has the law been in place in Germany?

Also 50+1 makes it fundamentally more sound, but will not stop the death of attractiveness in football.
The arrogance Perez showed in the interview is him voicing genuine frustrations of many casual fans at the styles you see across the board, not just because you have Real playing Slavia Prague or whoever. The games are less entertaining than they were even 10-15 years ago where attackers played differently, Joga Bonito was a thing and it was easier to get interested in their game. Death of a typical dribbler is a big issue which is why players like Vinicius are a treasure just because they're brave enough to try unconventional plays.
eSport will eclipse football within this decade. It's more entertaining for a casual kid, something happens all the time making it far easier to stick with + reaches broader demographic as it doesn't matter how fit you are physically.
Super League as a project was a terribly designed way of reintroducing some attractiveness to football by pitting best (on paper) teams against one another. Which is a double edged sword as it doesn't mean level will be better. But it will be easier to get that eSports kid to turn on the telly for RM vs City.

Then again maybe we're not doomed. But the fact we have Haaland vs Mbappe argument and then nothing else is telling. When you had CR vs Messi you at least had so many other quality names popping up at the same time (Gourcuff, Pato etc). Now? Fuck knows.

Easy, just call it Super Clasico League and it's Barca vs Real every week

Sterlingfan2000 said:

I guess we're so broke , that we can't pay the fine so we need to stay until the end

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Well sometimes you have to pay for your own mistakes. We threw 300 million euros!!! for 3 players that haven't helped at all.
The solution in not to get a 350b loan from an American Bank. You will get even more into debt.
You need to find a solution through better management, better transfers better organization of the football department.
If that will cost you some years not being at the first places then it's fine and normal. We have seen that in the past.
Figure out your own mistakes by not creating new.

El Gato said:

Don't know how you can impose 50+1 retroactively. How long has the law been in place in Germany?

Also 50+1 makes it fundamentally more sound, but will not stop the death of attractiveness in football.
The arrogance Perez showed in the interview is him voicing genuine frustrations of many casual fans at the styles you see across the board, not just because you have Real playing Slavia Prague or whoever. The games are less entertaining than they were even 10-15 years ago where attackers played differently, Joga Bonito was a thing and it was easier to get interested in their game. Death of a typical dribbler is a big issue which is why players like Vinicius are a treasure just because they're brave enough to try unconventional plays.
eSport will eclipse football within this decade. It's more entertaining for a casual kid, something happens all the time making it far easier to stick with + reaches broader demographic as it doesn't matter how fit you are physically.
Super League as a project was a terribly designed way of reintroducing some attractiveness to football by pitting best teams against one another. Which is a double edged sword as it doesn't mean level will be better. But it will be easier to get that eSports kid to turn on the telly for RM vs City.

Then again maybe we're not doomed. But the fact we have Haaland vs Mbappe argument and then nothing else is telling. When you had CR vs Messi you at least had so many other quality names popping up at the same time (Gourcuff, Pato etc). Now? Fuck knows.

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Well, the reason the standard is poor nowadays is because kids are alot less active and playing these fucking stupid games twiddling their thumbs.
The standard of football has declined Alot in the past five years alone.
Perez is right about some things but this is a clumsy attempt at breaking away.