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Agree with plenty of that other than me not thinking that 'longevity and career' is enough to leapfrog so many players that he ends up in the big four. Other players (than the big three) have too much of a talent advantage for him to override. I'd say 7th or 8th is fair based on his level of...

6 then. To be honest i was just saying 7 to appease Rassvet and not go too far the other way. Tbh I think he's just a slightly above average playmaker in prime, and that he made a lot of technical mistakes. But his fans get angry if you say anything negative about him.

Says a lot about how dumb Ronaldo is and his mindset that he equates quality of player with 'goals and trophies'. What a dumb Portuguese guido.

He is underrated as a playmaker (in his prime) in that he was good at it, say a 7/10. The issue is he's being compared to all-time great 9.5/10 level playmakers. Other than that though, just wanted to say that assists have little correlation with playmaking ability - most forwards have more...

Brasil beat Argentina 2-1 in the final. I had something to do though so could only watch the celebrations.

Final is Brazil-Argentina. Sunday 4 pm UK time.

He's poor, isn't he? Their fans were calling him better than van Dijk and Dias before he'd kicked a ball for them...

Like I said before - his surname sounds like the name of an antagonist from Lord of the Rings. No surprise people call him Samu.

Also the commentator said that since ETH took over, United have conceded three goals or more 24 times. That is frankly an unreal stat.

The guy looks really good, haven't really seen him before. It wasn't just the goals (both fired into the roof of the net...impressive), his hold up play and strength with his back to goal was generally good too. Very quick too. He had to go off as he was fucked with injury or tiredness but...

Nice call @Iniesta Ultra Disappointing end but they should have finished it by squaring that ball at 3-2.

Ah right fair enough lol. As for this game - United struggling massively with crosses. Diogo Costa though - complete idiot. 0/10 performance.

Not covering my bases or anything but we all expect them to get hammered (well most of us) - they'll likely win lol. They always maggot a result when not expected.

Abidal then him were absolute class for Barca and integral to the team.

Ho does but the problem is he does it like a headless chicken, and with the others the press is uncoordinated. Rashford doesn't really run or press much. Hojlund does a bit and Amad too. The issue is though Ten hag doesn't seem to coach presses or distances, so this could play into Porto's...

Agree mate, good post.

Porto-Man United. As I said before, it sounds sad, but my main enjoyment (tribalism wise, not neutral wise) in club football is seeing United hopefully lose. Rangers are on too but I also fancy seeing Porto as not seen them this season. Interested how they will play tonite. How about you...

He likes you I believe - he just grows weary of you wumming. Anyway won't take the topic any further off track.