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Yeah people say 'how can he win it with that Portugal team?' (though his Portugal team-mates were always underrated as an excuse for him. But that is a strawman. He doesn't have to win it, just do well. Forlan, Modric, Rodriguez, Hagi, Stoitchkov and varius others have all done well with...

That's what I mean. His passes are pretty basic and happen in the final third. He doesn't thread balls through eyes of needles or anything. People say Salah can't do anything from deep. Last night he played a lovely pass through to Nunez from his own half. It wasn't amazing but it was nice and...

Only if he is paying, the tight cunt.

Exactly, he's not a playmaker. This is weird with people acting like he's a playmaker extraordinaire because he gets assists...

You are simplifying and strawmanning what i said, but ok. I am tired from constant debate today anyway, so we will leave it there. Especially if you are just gonna make snarky comments.

The point I am making is that he clearly can dribble very well at his best, and that he has that brilliant pass in his locker, to an extent Vini doesn't, even if his game changes across the years.

Fair enough, agree with bits and pieces and disagree with others, I respect the effort you put in and you do make some good, well-backed points so have allocated a like but cba arguing about it. All I have done today is discuss Lewa, Ronaldo and Vini. I am all debated out almost :lol:

Also, have I even insulted him as a player? I said he's one of the best players in the world I said his game is quite repetitive and he has less playmaking quality than Neymar, Hazard and Salah. What is wrong with that? It is likely the truth. :lol:

:lol: You are clearly looking for a fight, or have a love for Vini. By less dimensional, I just meant those other players have more ability in general play, the same way Ribery did. I never said Vinicius is poor at it, just that he's rather repetitive and his game is mostly about pace...

He was invisible in most of his CL finals and didn't score in some semis too. Again, as I said, some other games he scored when ties were finished. We all watched the games mate and have the records, you cannot deny it. That's a rookie mistake. A lot of what leads to shooting and chances...

I mentioned Salah originally, it was Tempt who brought up neymar. Either way, I maintain that Neymar, Hazard and Salah have more layers to their games than Vini and Mbappe, and I think you'd have to have lost the plot to disagree. I never said they 'ain't it'. You have reading comprehension...

I have watched him a lot. He can't put in an 'insane performance' without scoring. That's one of the key differences between he and Messi. He's far more reliant on stats to look good.

'His record against big teams in CL knockouts' For example, his three goals in the semis and final of 2014 CL count as 'goals against big teams in CL knockouts'. Yet all three of them were utterly pointless.

Never aaid he was a poacher - said he was the tip of the spear - not the same thing. Point is he has scored important goals, but you are pointing out how many goals he scored, and I am adding context that a lot of them were unimportant. That's a fact when you analyse them, whether you like it...

:lol: Whatever pal - look how angry you're getting because someone offered some gentle criticism of a guy you will never even meet. I even said he's a great player and you're still posting like a girl on her period defending her favourite boybander. I said he was fairly one dimensional, and I...

They are great, but as I have said, stats are not the be all and end all. He also scored plenty of meaningless goals too. As just two examples, most of his goals in the 2014 CL knockout rounds were scored when games were already done and dusted. And I believe he scored 16 goals in 2016 CL, but...

You say that but they're already being forgotten by the younger generations. I'd say the same will happen to Messi and Ronaldo when they are 'ancient cunts' to the kids of 50 years from now and several hotshots have been and gone since them. But they both benefit from being almost the earliest...

Hazard and Neymar were more playmaking yes. But I never understood people who said Salah played like a glorified poacher. True he comes more alive in the final third but his incisive passing an dribbling were superb back in the day. I never got why people acted like he just hung around the area...

True, it works both ways, I never disputed that, unlike kids now claiming past players were nobodies who played with the dinosaurs. The point is we don't just lazily assume past players were inferior because there's a lot less footage of them. That's insane.

I have always said Salah is a great playmaker and argued with my bro who says he is as invisible in general play as Ronaldo has been. So doesn't apply to me I am afraid. Hazard and Neymar are playmaking wingers too, yes.