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Great goal by Hojlund to be honest, anyone would be proud of that. Still generally think he's poor, though.

You (I?) joke but that could actually make a good plot to a film if great writers used the premise well haha.

I am always willing to admit if I am hasty, Gato, and I already conceded some ground with saying I maybe overrated Salah as a playmaker, and was harsh calling Vini one dimensional. I relented to a degree. But now you are getting greedy and want me to admit that Vini is a playmaker...

2-0 Rangers in Nice, fair play to them. Another L for Jim Ratcliffe.

United will probably still win but this is so funny. Bodo/Glimt have been dangerous though. Lol Matterface talking about how expensive their team is and they should win - they vastly overspend on players, so that is no reflection of the quality of their team. When will the English media get...

I've been accused of being everyone on here. At this stage it's just me as every poster arguing with myself, like James McAvoy in Split.

I said Salah is a better final third passer than Vinicius with better vision and better at threading eye of the needle passes. I stand by that. I also accepted maybe I was giving Salah too much credit, and maybe I was harsh calling Vini one dimensional. Again maybe it is your definition, but...

Fati knows I get on with him and like him a lot, but that doesn't mean I agree with everything he does or all his opinions, same as he doesn't concur with everything I do. That's what it means getting on with someone - accepting their foibles.

@Horatio @Fati_Future_BallonDor Not sure on some

Thanks mate, a couple that didn't work out but overall not bad. Mixed with the 8 EL earlies. I believe it is 4 right, 4 wrong. An upset or two, though.

Gato's biggest mistake was equating assists with playmaking. Other than that he's been brand new.

Yeah Mbappe is not an instinctual number 9, Ronaldo always had that in his locker - to become that with age. Mbappe is a through and through wide player to me.

Never denied he is a good player to a point. Just not the world-class player their fans think he is. Is he really great at set pieces? He hardly ever scores from free kicks, some of his delivery can be good true but they went years without scoring a corner. Not his fault though as Maguire...

Fernandes for example, in terms of on the ball, would have been amazing in the 90s PL. And his deficiences off it (headless chicken pressing) would have been less important, as most teams played chaotically then.

Michael Laudrup was a playmaker I would say, but could get assists too. I honestly don't think it is. I think it's his style of play. He looks for the final ball every time and has been the same under three or four managers now. I just think he's a frantic chaos merchant. His short game is...

I did think about KDB, and Ozil is a good shout too. I think they're more hybrids - they are more about cutting edge than full blown playmaker like D Silva, Ribery or Iniesta, but they're not just focused fully on chance creation as Fernandes tends to be (well De Bruyne isn't anyway).

Maybe I was harsh calling him one dimensional. I can concede maybe I was hasty. But I think it's fair to say he's less into th general play than Neymar, Hazard, Ribery.

The latter much more,. Someone who keeps the play going, is great on the half-turn, dribbles well in tight spaces to open space, links up well does 'good intelligent footballer' thing throughout the 90. David Silva, Iniesta, Hazard, Neymar types. I wouldn't call a chance creator a playmaker...

'In modern sense where folk extend it to attackers term is basically 'setting players up'' No it isn't. I even told you two or three times that assisting isn't playmaking.

Wingers can definitely be playmakers. Even if you think I am giving Salah more credit in that realm than he deserves, others have been mentioned.