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To my eye both Barca and Spain are quite irresponsible with very young players, maybe because they were so used to Messi being a freak of nature.

Bundesliga in the mud.

Has this ref got money on the game or something?

Yeah but even so Kane is worse with Musiala behind him too. He holds onto the ball too long and doesn't make fast instinctive decisions. I don't think his numbers will fall off a cliff or anything, but they won't stay as they have been.

They've moved him to #10 to accomodate Jackson for some reason. I think his numbers will drop significantly.

I don't think we can read too much into the Frankfurt performance. We already knew he could do it in Germany.

True. Although we are talking about a team who finished 17th last season.

Why Gallagher?

Liverpool collapse, Arsenal still find a way to lose it to City. If that happens, Arteta has to go.

Where has 8 minutes come from? There's been the goals and Casemiro injury and...?

IMAGINE DOUBTING SLAB HEAD

Surely Italy won't find a way to fail to qualify again.

He's probably right about the players being friends stuff and that the team was set up wrong, but I think he's looking at the squad with too much of a modern lens to say that there talent wasn't there in certain positions to win anything. It wasn't really an era where you couldn't do anything...

They always have great U21 squads and then either don't qualify for the U21 Euros or do nothing while they're there. Very odd.

I saw the podcast, I think Rooney took exception to the idea that their generation didn't work or fight hard enough, which I don't think was really Gerrard's point.

Isn't Kane availble in the summer for about £50m if he expresses a desire to leave by January? I think there's some sort of clause like that.

I expect more Odegaard levels from him than De Bruyne tbh.

He wasn't. His highlights make him look like a prime Rashford regen but most of the time he does nothing with the ball. More bad than good still at this point in his career.

He did set up Salah with a great touch to be fair.