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    Arturo Vidal

    Our entire starting eleven if Vidal starts will have turned 30 next season except Roberto, Umtiti and Coutinho though. Thats a lot of experience with 7 out of 10 outfield players having turned 30. I disagree that a very old player is needed. I do agree that someone with his traits can be useful...
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    Arturo Vidal

    I'd say there are plenty of 30 year olds who play for a top team. But once they reach 31 and beyond that number falls sharply. He got injured in April and has yet to play since April. By that time, he had started 17 games in the league and 6 in the CL. There was definitely rotation going on and...
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    Arturo Vidal

    Yes, but far fewer 31 or 32+ year olds actually are sold for any meaningful fee. He started 17 games in the league and 6 in the CL last season. Whether he starts more often for us remains to be seen, but its pretty obvious why Bayern wanted to get rid. I wish him well and will of course support...
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    Arturo Vidal

    I agree it does vary from player to player, but there is a reason why hardly anyone who is 31 or 32 goes for any type of money. Only a tiny share of 31+ or 32+ year olds go for any type of money, its usually just a free transfer.
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    Arturo Vidal

    Yeah, its pretty clear that 30-33 is the decline of players, very rarely the peak, as seen by the quite shocking decline of players going for any type of money in that age range. In the top 50 list of most expensive players who have turned 30, something like 80% are 30, 15% are 31 and hardly...
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    Arturo Vidal

    Here is the top 5 list of most expensive players in history: Age 31+ 1. Ronaldo 117m 2. Batistuta 36m 3. Bonucci 35m 4. Vidal 21m (a year left on his contract) 5. Redondo 17.5m Age 32+ 1. Ronaldo 117m 2. Llorente 15m 3. Tevez 10m 4. Jose Fonte 9m 5. Xabi Alonso 9m So among players who have...
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    Malcom

    Never going to happen. It'll be a 4-4-2 with central midfielders, not attackers. So Busi, Raki, Vidal, Coutinho, Artur, Rafinha. Malcom and Dembele will struggle with playing time against good opposition IMO.
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    Arturo Vidal

    Market sucks bad though. Lewandowski is almost 30, Hazard is 27, Neymar unavailable. If you look at their transfers over the past ten years, 95% have been 24 years old or younger.
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    Arturo Vidal

    If that were the case, you would have much more players at 31 on that list. And none at 32 or older except Ronaldo is quite shocking indeed. The decline is often very fast at that age, thats why you dont see those players there. The list also confirms that not even Chinese clubs or oil clubs are...
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    Arturo Vidal

    Yes, exactly. The list confirms this. At 30, some clubs are willing to spend some decent money as they assume he can have more more than a year left if lucky. At 31, you see a big drop off in the number of players on the list. And at 32, there are none. Except Ronaldo. Thats very telling and...
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    Arturo Vidal

    I looked through this fascinating list https://www.transfermarkt.com/transfers/transferrekorde/statistik/top/plus/0/galerie/0?saison_id=alle&land_id=&ausrichtung=&spielerposition_id=&altersklasse=o30&leihe=&w_s= and among the top 25 most expensive players 30 years or older, not a single...
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    Arturo Vidal

    Good list. 30 is different from 31 though. At that age, it can be the difference between dividing up the transfer fee into one or two good seasons, a 50% difference. Also take into account Vidal had a year left on the contract. Notice that almost none are 32 on that list, the big majority are 30...
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    Arturo Vidal

    Doubtful to be honest. I think Valverde sees it as way too risky and weak defensively. Malcom/Dembele are not midfielders.
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    Arturo Vidal

    Overall the market for good players these days is pretty garbage to be honest. Not that many great players out there, anywhere, in any position really.
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    Arturo Vidal

    Four fold increase would just be a rough estimate since Vidal should go for less than Schweinsteiger in 2015 if they were the same age and Schweinsteiger went for 9m. Fast forward three years and suddenly people talk about 30m for this player as its nothing and 21m being suspiciously low. Thats...
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    Arturo Vidal

    Nope, you are assuming Vidal and Schweinsteiger are the exact same players with the same value. They just are not. Anyway, there is no way the 21m is suspiciously low, I think we can both agree on that. Hopefully he can give us more than a season.
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    Arturo Vidal

    What? Vidal missed over 100 games and has had to undergo surgery on his knee just a few months ago. At 31 years old and with such a physical playing style, like Suarez, its a clear risk, no doubt about it. I think its pretty obvious that both Suarez and Iniesta who you mention was in clear...
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    Arturo Vidal

    I think Bayern has the very much the same question marks regarding Vidal, especially with his playing style and questionable mentality.
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    Arturo Vidal

    No, the rumors were 30m and someone said 21m was suspiciously low. I tried to find examples of whether it would really be suspiciously low. Schweinsteiger was a superior player to Vidal and was considered a football god in Bayern, so if Vidal is 30m then Schweinsteiger would be at least 36m+. I...
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    Arturo Vidal

    But Schweinsteiger was surely a more legendary player than Vidal so I cant see how 30m would be in any way reasonable for Vidal with his history as a 31 year old considering Schweinsteiger went for 9m only three years ago. Yes, the market has changed, but more than a four-fold increase in prices...

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