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He seems a very nice guy, Birdy. I just don't understand how he can call those players 'top players'. They clearly are not. Then people will slag off similar players from less fashionable countries. Football is not played on paper, it's played on grass. You don't win anything through being...

Yeah I don't get how anyone describes nothing or at best decent players like Reijnders, Maatsen, Dumfries and Malen as 'top players'. No chance he'd say that if they were wearing an Albanian top.

Furthermore, all of England's best players are Kane, Stones and the wingers/attacking midfielders. They are top heavy. It is like when idiots slagged off Messi cos of how 'strong' the Argentina squad was - even though their best players were all forwards and only so many can play at once. There...

What makes them top players exactly? They're big 'names' but they rarely impress to be honest. As an example, I have watched Malen a lot, and I would never describe him as a 'top player'. Ditto Maatsen. If they were Slovenian or Georgian and not Dutch, would you still describe them as top...

Not sure on Dumfries, De Ligt, Maatsen, Reijnders, Malen. Depay is ok but not a world beater. I mean people say that netherlands are much better on paper than Austria. Are Reijnders or Koopmeiners better than Baumgartner or Sabitzer? Or just more hyped? They play in good clubs mostly but still...

Yeah both have been very underwhelming.

So the third place teams are becoming a little clearer. England will play either Netherlands or the third place in Group E. Portugal will play Hungary or Slovenia. Spain will play third from E or F.

Austria or Switzerland can beat them.

it went to disciplinary points.

Peak time in USA is later, lol. Although there's lots of time zones over there so who knows.

If he makes a big mistake the media will destroy him. They build people up and then knock them down.

No way will I be able to stay awake til 4 am when the game finishes - unless I get a second wind. My eyes were shutting half an hour ago, though to be fair I was watching England.

Southgate's best job before England was Middlesborough. He isn't proven enough to manage a big NT. He seems to get by on vibes and bringing the team together, making them harmonious. Fair enough - that is important. But even more important than that is his complete absence of tactical acumen.

Maybe he should replace Kane with Watkins. Watkins would speed things up and offer a threat with runs in behind. Kane has hardly made any good runs. That would force Slovenia back, create distances and space between their defence and midfield for Foden, Bellingham etc.

England are so poor. That passage of play where Slovenia put about a million passes together while England put no pressure on whatsoever was so funny.

So, if Slovenia lose tonight Hungary have qualified as a best third-place team.

I am a big TMNT fan from childhood and yeah, he does look like him (if the mask was purple).

Was the same last time. Ended up lopsided with stronger teams in one half. Still, as I said before, it's not always wise to go on paper - Austria could beat England if they meet.

Looks like one of England, Denmark, Austria, Switzerland, Italy or Belgium will be in the final. Likely to play France, Portugal, Spain or the hosts.

Mask looks like Darth Vader's when you look at it a certain way.