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I don't know if I have narcolepsy or these games are getting worse but my eyes were shutting again there, before 6 pm. I slept from midnight to 8 am so not sure why.

Zico too Then there are guys like Rivelino, Vava, Ronaldinho and others.

I agree.

Ah right is he. I thought he must have been. I am usually up to speed with stuff but not on this occasion. Zinchenko is a shock

Would you place Di Stefano fourth or fifth? After the big three I think I would go Cruyff fourth and ADS fifth. Of course a lot of hearsay but even seeing his videos he looked some player.

Mudryk dropped against Belgium (unless he's injured and I am unaware). Ianis Hagi with his first start of tournament for Romania in the other game.

I prefer Pepe as a pure defender. I think most would. But for the other intangibles - defender being a goalscorer, leadership - I think Ramos beats him there. Either way they were a terrific partnership.

So they will be playing third in E or F. I think neither Georgia or the Czechs will win tonight, so that eliminates F. I am gonna go for Slovakia from group E. If Belgium win and the other game is a draw it will be the Slovaks in third (if I am correct there). You can't underestimate any...

That's more their mancrushes that are informed by football though lol. Have they actually ever gone deeper and debated stuff like the red pill and incels, and other manosphere stuff (I know some of that stuff is absolutely cringe but there are some good points made too).

I haven't looked on their general forum for a long time so I have no idea if they debate this stuff or not.

How did a thread about Vini turn into a debate about women :ROFLMAO:

Yeah that is what I meant above. Plenty women like boyish, unthreatening, high-trust looking men (L DC in Titanic for example, though the fame helped too). Others like masculine, rugged men. And yeah, confidence, charisma and being neurotypical goes a long way. Incels will have you believe...

That's true too and as you say, being dominated in bed builds into it. It's all a sign of high test, survival of the fittest etc. Also why they prefer tall guys as they are perceived as more masculine, dominant etc.

I didn't mean he looked like a criminal - I am referring to Meeks in the thug look. With Bundy it's exactly as you describe - the all-American white handsome guy. In his case it's his looks, but not a thug type look. I think you misunderstood what I was saying - I meant his looks, not looking...

Interesting. I figured people on here would glorify the thug look, figured there would be a lot of red pill type talk, but it appears plenty are the opposite from reading some comments. Good point by Don about Ted Bundy too. Jeremy Meeks is another. Degenerate criminals and murderers but loved...

Yeah that is the term, I have heard it said before. Women just have different preferences. Many women love the bad boy look, other women talk about liking guys who look kind and friendly with caring eyes. It seems the former is more prevalent though in in our increasingly depraved society...

Other than the bit about Fermin which I find a bit over the top, I agree with most of that. There's a bit of hyperbole and it's worded fairly aggressively, but the overall point is about the PL and English hype, and the idea that Bellingham is just a modestly talented footballer who happens to...

I have a theory that even if a guy has a bad looking face, getting lots of tattoos on their arms or torso or legs will instantly make them more attractive to a lot of women. I don't have anything against people with tattoos - I have none myself and some look good, some look bad. But there's no...

His natural face is a bit weird looking too I think, even if he didn't go out his way to look bad with the neck tattoo. I mean I could see some women liking him but a lot finding him unattractive too.

Yeah that is what I was alluding to. He's very good at what he does, but he won't control a game for you. He's a goalscoring bursting into the box physical player, like Lampard or Gerrard. He's not a midfielder and if they think he is it's no wonder they're struggling. They should drop one of...