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Hahaha aye mate. I was just looking at legends threads and reminiscing about players from my childhood, hence bumping threads like his and Suker's.

Like with video game graphics, we are reaching diminishing returns in human fitness in stuff, including football. How much further can a team or player really run over 90 minutes? If at some point 95 percent of players are athletic pressing monsters, you wonder if the game will look back to...

Bit harsh, he is ugly but he was involved in a car accident as a boy. Though he'd likely still be ugly if he hadn't been.

I know IniestaGOAT mocks me for rating him so highly due to apparent poor quality of 50s and 60s football (according to some), but he really was a very special player from research. Insane dribbler, no real understanding of rules, stipulations etc. I read that he didn't even know what...

Best Croatia player ever (yeah I know they only started in the early 90s) until a certain Luka Modric. Or maybe Prosinecki, who knows. Lots of career highlights but that chip against Schmeichel (one of the best goalkeepers in the world) at Hillsborough (I believe it was) at Euro 96 was...

Lucky man. Scores on and off the pitch. He was one of my favourite players in his heyday. He could score goals, buzz about and put in hard work, great shot, good passer, and just generally was a livewire of a player. He was incredible ay Euro 2004 and it's still a real shame the Czechs didn't...

The guy was a genius - been watching some videos of him randomly and had forgotten how effortless and easy on the eye his dribbling was. Underrated passer too. He and Robben is one of the deadliest wing double acts in history. Others would include Messi and Neymar, Beckham/Kanchelskis and...

Anyway thanks for the respectful, civil (albeit mostly indirect) conversation. I have an early start tomorrow so I am gonna shower then sleep. Been a fun conversation and you have made some good points and given food for thought (even if I disagree with some points). Goodnight.

Yes, I seen a fair bit of Matthaus in the 90s (though already a bit past his peak) and for me he's in the top two midfielders I have watched with Xavi. He could also man mark players and do really well defensively - Maradona called him his toughest opponent across his career, which is as high a...

That's fair points you made about City and I tend to agree with a lot of it. I understand your point about Xavi and Iniesta, but we can only judge on what did happen, not hypotheticals. Xavi was still an excellent player pre 2008, even if he hadn't yet his GOAT standard. Iniesta was still only...

Yes, you make reasonable points and that's a good post: there's definitely context to this stuff, and he has done better than perhaps was claimed. But Xavi and Iniesta is the most elite of standards in football history - they're two of the greatest midfielders of all time (in my opinion Xavi is...

I agree with a lot of that. One point I would make in his favour is that them City-Liverpool battles for the title (and in head-to-head games) were of the highest quality the PL has ever seen most probably, and he often really stood out. But yeah, for a player of his ability, his CL...

Yeah think I made that point the other night in this thread too. But I don't wanna look like I am arguing against Kev because he is a genius. But bigger match winner than Xavi and Iniesta? I cannot go that far, especially when Kev hasn't done much in CL or international tournaments (he played...

People know I am not a stats type obsessive, but I don't get the Doku hype. His entire game seems tor revolve around fronting up a full-back on the left flank in or near the box, and beating him, never see him do anything in any other area of the park, never see him produce great passes or...

Like I said though, can you not win games before the moment by simply strangling the opposition and dominating the game even if you don't produce the moment for goals, like Xavi and Iniesta used to do in terms of running the show? Not saying you're wrong or trying to provoke you, but surely...

A lot of these football websites are just grifting sites with no idea.

He is/was an incredible talent, much better than Rashford was potentially for me. I think he's the only player United have produced since the class of 92 who comes even close to living up to the insane hype their fans assign to their academy players. But... ...There's no morals in football -...

Just as well he's been one of the best players of his generation and it's his leaving do or he'd be getting laughed at for that miss tonight. To be fair, it was a bit behind him, was off the floor, on his 'weaker' foot (though his left is good) and he stumbled just before hitting it. But he's...

Maybe Sancho too in hindsight. Though I think he's better than he looks, as I believe United have destroyed him.

When it's impossible to fit one game into an entire year then surely that is evidence of the vast oversaturation of club and international football.