Temptation
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A number of managers play more exciting Football than Enrique.
Hans-Dieter Flick
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MonteCuler
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Luchoball is exciting for psg fans, which iniesta ultra is
For a neutral, there is not much to watch really. A team that just dogwalks their opponents in a league with no competitors and as soon as one of the teams show some resilience they quickly bend over and fumble anything they might have done
Flickball is great football and proper box office matches on top of that. Most away games we played were pure spectacle for the neutral fan
For a neutral, there is not much to watch really. A team that just dogwalks their opponents in a league with no competitors and as soon as one of the teams show some resilience they quickly bend over and fumble anything they might have done
Flickball is great football and proper box office matches on top of that. Most away games we played were pure spectacle for the neutral fan
serghei
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I don't think it's as much full belly syndrome, but normal erosion, both physically and mentally due to 3 cumulated factors.
First is the squad depth which has been done to death and discussed numerous times.
2nd is the injuries this season, not only frequent and targeting the best players, but longer in duration (and I also consider the first season as part of the reason since it all adds up), affecting multiple tricky games.
3rd is on Flick himself. He is just anti-pragmatic. And pragmatism is a quality.
His system has worked well right from the start with these players. They knew all along what he wants and how to deliver that vs some of the best sides early on. It took almost no prep work.
And if this is the case, then maintaining freshness is his main priority, since this is foundational for his football. Fans will just need to understand that playing super-energetic football vs some random La Liga side is not the most important priority when the squad is short and your ultimate goal is to win titles in May and June.
But Flick just plays the same. I have seen us pressing the keeper whether it is a CL semifinal, a Clasico final, or a game in Copa vs some Segunda side. This is very taxing on the body when you do it almost every 3 days with largely the same core. There is just no pragmatic and strategic reason to do this. We run too much, too hard, too long to secure points vs teams we could have beaten easily on a more conservative, energy saving mode.
He has made no compromise at all, and he is in a position where what he does will collapse at some point, and in a noisy way. I have seen numerous times that he believes in focusing on the next game only, but that's not something I agree with. You are far better served building up the pace and conditioning the side to be in the best shape in the 2nd part of the season.
ajnotkeith
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The problem is, you have to train and to play matches as you mean to continue playing, because the players have to be used to the system, you can't play conservative football for 6 months and then switch to high pressing only when you need to, players need short term memory and adaptation to the style they're playing in.
We could cool down after we have taken a lead, and we could rotate more, but we really do need more serviceable players.
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serghei
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It is better than to lose the intensity at the worst moments vs worst kind of teams that can punish you badly for it. Most elite sides have an extra gear to them that they access in the bigger games. That is also planned, conditioned to reach the biggest part of the season in the best physical shape.
Flick demands the same things be it PSG in CL or Albacete in Copa. You can afford this approach when you have a solid squad of 24 players that cost 700-800m to assemble. But we don't. 30% of our main squad hasn't reached even young adulthood, some are still teenagers.
The players are already used to the system imo. Most of the issues that led to some terrible performances lately is because of mental and physical fatigue. If you are slow to close down and press opponents in time, and your legs are heavy... and the entire system depends on that, the structure collapses.
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ZenI
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Dude, if Rayo can kick Atletico's ass and now Brugges... maybe, just maybe your suicidal high line in which everybody except the CB's are attacking is to blame? I don't have a problem with us playing it SOMETIMES during a match - but playing it all the time? 1 alright pass to a winger or to a central forward who beats the offside trap and it's like 50/50 we concede. We fucking can't play like that, especially with donkey's like Casado the "headless chicken", Ferran the "turnover machine", Fermin the "I'll shoot from any fucking where" 
ZenI
Professor Balthazar
Enough is enough, we can't play the 4-2-3-1 against any good team - especially if we play away.
We can't attack with everybody except our CB's.
At least play the 4-3-3 with a DM - let the DM stay deep and spred out the CB's a little and/or maybe don't attack with BOTH fullbacks at the same time ALL the time!?
We can't attack with everybody except our CB's.
At least play the 4-3-3 with a DM - let the DM stay deep and spred out the CB's a little and/or maybe don't attack with BOTH fullbacks at the same time ALL the time!?
jamrock
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Holy excuses Batman, it's like some people can't bring themselves to say the team & by extension the coach has been poor the past few weeks
When Madrid made their advantage slipped, it was all smiles & how poor the players & xabi were.
It's not over but he needs to do a lot better in the coming weeks if we are to win the league.
We've certainly not slipped only because our individual defenders are poor or having a off season.
When Madrid made their advantage slipped, it was all smiles & how poor the players & xabi were.
It's not over but he needs to do a lot better in the coming weeks if we are to win the league.
We've certainly not slipped only because our individual defenders are poor or having a off season.
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ToranagaSama
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Team is on course for 92 points, much better than last season. It looks bad only because RM average 1 penalty every 2 games and Mbappe might get to 40 goals this season. That does the trick for them.
What do we expect with this team anyway? 100 points?
What do we expect with this team anyway? 100 points?
ZenI
Professor Balthazar
I expect, when we play Atletico away in a cup or for example Chelsea or PSG away in CL that we don't leave our CB's at the half-way line and attack with the rest - with all of our midfielders AND fullbacks in their penalty box. At least in the first half, when legs are fresh - we're going to get murdered again for sure. Skip the 4-2-3-1, play 4-3-3 and leave at least a DM and one of the fullbacks deeper so we don't get countered to death!
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A huge problem is that we don't really have an out and out defensive midfielder in the mould of Zubimendi or Caicedo and the only thing we have remotely close to that is Eric, who when he plays there, is missed at centre back.
We play two pivots who essentially excel when playing next to a proper CDM not having the role of actually being one.
It's been even worse lately with Pedri out because you have Olmo dropping back who is poor defensively, so we are not even getting away with it in a weak La Liga anymore.
Bernal now is being asked to be more of a box to box as well, rather than the sitting Busi type player pre injury.
There is a massive hole there at CDM and going in to games expecting Frenkie to be your primary ball winner is asking for trouble.
We play two pivots who essentially excel when playing next to a proper CDM not having the role of actually being one.
It's been even worse lately with Pedri out because you have Olmo dropping back who is poor defensively, so we are not even getting away with it in a weak La Liga anymore.
Bernal now is being asked to be more of a box to box as well, rather than the sitting Busi type player pre injury.
There is a massive hole there at CDM and going in to games expecting Frenkie to be your primary ball winner is asking for trouble.
khaled_a_d
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What pre injury? The 3 games in first team?
Because Bernal was never a true CDM or a sitting Busi type, he was always b2b trying to adapt to CDM. He played more sitting when he arrived to first yeam because he was mostly trying to adapt to first division football and was being conservative.
There are very few true CDM in the world atm, even fewer who are both destroyers and aren't liability on the ball.
serghei
Senior Member
That's true. The DM position has been replaced by having more than 1 CM who is very good in defense. You have 2 of these midfielders who are not liabilities off the ball and in defensive transition, you don't really need a DM.
You can look at Spain. I can guarantee you that they will never start a match with Pedri and Olmo in midfield at the same time. At least 2 out of Rodri, Zubi, Fabian, Merino will be on at any given time almost.
You can look at Spain. I can guarantee you that they will never start a match with Pedri and Olmo in midfield at the same time. At least 2 out of Rodri, Zubi, Fabian, Merino will be on at any given time almost.
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