Hans-Dieter Flick

Hansi Flick - how do we rate him?


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MonteCuler

Well-known member
Luchoball is exciting for psg fans, which iniesta ultra is

For a neutral, there is not much to watch really. A team that just dogwalks their opponents in a league with no competitors and as soon as one of the teams show some resilience they quickly bend over and fumble anything they might have done

Flickball is great football and proper box office matches on top of that. Most away games we played were pure spectacle for the neutral fan
 

serghei

Senior Member
Motivation is obviously a factor, but also fitness and injuries are in play here.

Raphinha and Pedri are two of the most important 3 players in our system and both got multiple injuries.


While Kounde is playing like he has aged 5 years, right after being one of the most played players in the world, Lewandowski is no more dependable starter as he aged even more, Lamine suffered chronic injuries as he has been overplayed for a player of his age.

Lack of reliable depth is killing the intensity as the team is exhausted, and an exhausted team can't press, and if you can't press while playing attacking footballer, you can't defend

I don't think it's as much full belly syndrome, but normal erosion, both physically and mentally due to 3 cumulated factors.

First is the squad depth which has been done to death and discussed numerous times.

2nd is the injuries this season, not only frequent and targeting the best players, but longer in duration (and I also consider the first season as part of the reason since it all adds up), affecting multiple tricky games.

3rd is on Flick himself. He is just anti-pragmatic. And pragmatism is a quality.

His system has worked well right from the start with these players. They knew all along what he wants and how to deliver that vs some of the best sides early on. It took almost no prep work.

And if this is the case, then maintaining freshness is his main priority, since this is foundational for his football. Fans will just need to understand that playing super-energetic football vs some random La Liga side is not the most important priority when the squad is short and your ultimate goal is to win titles in May and June.

But Flick just plays the same. I have seen us pressing the keeper whether it is a CL semifinal, a Clasico final, or a game in Copa vs some Segunda side. This is very taxing on the body when you do it almost every 3 days with largely the same core. There is just no pragmatic and strategic reason to do this. We run too much, too hard, too long to secure points vs teams we could have beaten easily on a more conservative, energy saving mode.

He has made no compromise at all, and he is in a position where what he does will collapse at some point, and in a noisy way. I have seen numerous times that he believes in focusing on the next game only, but that's not something I agree with. You are far better served building up the pace and conditioning the side to be in the best shape in the 2nd part of the season.
 

ajnotkeith

Senior Member
I don't think it's as much full belly syndrome, but normal erosion, both physically and mentally due to 3 cumulated factors.

First is the squad depth which has been done to death and discussed numerous times.

2nd is the injuries this season, not only frequent and targeting the best players, but longer in duration (and I also consider the first season as part of the reason since it all adds up), affecting multiple tricky games.

3rd is on Flick himself. He is just anti-pragmatic. And pragmatism is a quality.

His system has worked well right from the start with these players. They knew all along what he wants and how to deliver that vs some of the best sides early on. It took almost no prep work.

And if this is the case, then maintaining freshness is his main priority, since this is foundational for his football. Fans will just need to understand that playing super-energetic football vs some random La Liga side is not the most important priority when the squad is short and your ultimate goal is to win titles in May and June.

But Flick just plays the same. I have seen us pressing the keeper whether it is a CL semifinal, a Clasico final, or a game in Copa vs some Segunda side. This is very taxing on the body when you do it almost every 3 days with largely the same core. There is just no pragmatic and strategic reason to do this. We run too much, too hard, too long to secure points vs teams we could have beaten easily on a more conservative, energy saving mode.

He has made no compromise at all, and he is in a position where what he does will collapse at some point, and in a noisy way. I have seen numerous times that he believes in focusing on the next game only, but that's not something I agree with. You are far better served building up the pace and conditioning the side to be in the best shape in the 2nd part of the season.
The problem is, you have to train and to play matches as you mean to continue playing, because the players have to be used to the system, you can't play conservative football for 6 months and then switch to high pressing only when you need to, players need short term memory and adaptation to the style they're playing in.

We could cool down after we have taken a lead, and we could rotate more, but we really do need more serviceable players.
 

serghei

Senior Member
The problem is, you have to train and to play matches as you mean to continue playing, because the players have to be used to the system, you can't play conservative football for 6 months and then switch to high pressing only when you need to, players need short term memory and adaptation to the style they're playing in.

We could cool down after we have taken a lead, and we could rotate more, but we really do need more serviceable players.

It is better than to lose the intensity at the worst moments vs worst kind of teams that can punish you badly for it. Most elite sides have an extra gear to them that they access in the bigger games. That is also planned, conditioned to reach the biggest part of the season in the best physical shape.

Flick demands the same things be it PSG in CL or Albacete in Copa. You can afford this approach when you have a solid squad of 24 players that cost 700-800m to assemble. But we don't. 30% of our main squad hasn't reached even young adulthood, some are still teenagers.

The players are already used to the system imo. Most of the issues that led to some terrible performances lately is because of mental and physical fatigue. If you are slow to close down and press opponents in time, and your legs are heavy... and the entire system depends on that, the structure collapses.
 
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ZenI

Professor Balthazar
Dude, if Rayo can kick Atletico's ass and now Brugges... maybe, just maybe your suicidal high line in which everybody except the CB's are attacking is to blame? I don't have a problem with us playing it SOMETIMES during a match - but playing it all the time? 1 alright pass to a winger or to a central forward who beats the offside trap and it's like 50/50 we concede. We fucking can't play like that, especially with donkey's like Casado the "headless chicken", Ferran the "turnover machine", Fermin the "I'll shoot from any fucking where" :thumbdown:
 

ZenI

Professor Balthazar
Enough is enough, we can't play the 4-2-3-1 against any good team - especially if we play away.
We can't attack with everybody except our CB's.
At least play the 4-3-3 with a DM - let the DM stay deep and spred out the CB's a little and/or maybe don't attack with BOTH fullbacks at the same time ALL the time!?
 

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