Hans-Dieter Flick

Hansi Flick - how do we rate him?


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jamrock

Senior Member
Hard fact!

It's evident that the problem is not the high line, but the execution.
Players are not concentrated, and are lazy in pressing.

Or clubs have adapted to it, as was clearly the case towards the end of last season and it's continued to this season.

Coach to players " just start your run from deeper, no need to be on the shoulder if the last man"

= Offside trap destroyed.

Last of pressing also has a bit to do with it
 

Birdy

Senior Member
Or clubs have adapted to it, as was clearly the case towards the end of last season and it's continued to this season.

Coach to players " just start your run from deeper, no need to be on the shoulder if the last man"

= Offside trap destroyed.

Last of pressing also has a bit to do with it

It's not that simple to destroy it with just a run from deeper.
Pressure with high intensity is key.
 

MonteCuler

Well-known member
Or clubs have adapted to it, as was clearly the case towards the end of last season and it's continued to this season.

Coach to players " just start your run from deeper, no need to be on the shoulder if the last man"

= Offside trap destroyed.

Last of pressing also has a bit to do with it
Same things we heard in December last year

I have 1 important question, if it is so simple why it took them a whole season to figure us out?

We were figured out from the start. Everybody knows how to bypass the high line. But in theory it's easier than in practice. Except when we don't apply it correctly, then it's easy in practice too
 

Gnidrologist

Senior Member
Yeah, i think Flicks kamikadze system can work, when executed flawlessly, but also believe that it has incredibly low threshold of mistake, which requires both high level players at their very best at all times to work. Very hard to execute consistently. Which is why i'd prefer him to copy a bit of current Spain NT style more and become more pragmatic. We have incredible midfield very strong attacking potential to easily dominate games without having several pants down moments every single game even against lowly opponents. But Flick is the fuhrer, he will probably double and triple down on his style anyway. I both respect and somewhat doubt him for this reason. I like principled idealists, but not sure, if he can create any long term project with that kind of maximalist approach.
 

jamrock

Senior Member
Same things we heard in December last year

I have 1 important question, if it is so simple why it took them a whole season to figure us out?

We were figured out from the start. Everybody knows how to bypass the high line. But in theory it's easier than in practice. Except when we don't apply it correctly, then it's easy in practice too

Yep which is we concede 7 against inter and could have easily lost to Madrid at home.

Or that didn't happen
 

delancey

Senior Member
At this point last season, we still had TS, didn’t we? Now we have an old semi-retired GK who smokes as the last line of defense. Plus one great defender down without a proper replacement.

But I also agree with @jamrock that opposition teams are figuring us out.
 

MonteCuler

Well-known member
Yep which is we concede 7 against inter and could have easily lost to Madrid at home.

Or that didn't happen
You are proving my point

I say we were figured out from the start. Teams knew how to defeat our high line since Flick arrived. Very little has changed this season

And the reason last season we won domestic treble and this season we are on route to win nothing is because high line is not applied the way it should be
 

jamrock

Senior Member
You are proving my point

I say we were figured out from the start. Teams knew how to defeat our high line since Flick arrived. Very little has changed this season

And the reason last season we won domestic treble and this season we are on route to win nothing is because high line is not applied the way it should be

No we were, which is why we caught teams offside so often, but as the season went on and got into the latter stages, it got figured out and teams did so even more over the summer.

That's clear as day, we won what we won and that's great, but not really relevant to the point being made
 

delancey

Senior Member
I don't understand what that means

What is it that teams do this season and they didn't before?

If we come back to last season level I don't think there will be problems
Patterns or play, style of play, offside trap…. When Flick entered LL last season, teams weren’t used to his football tactics. But the more exposed we are to anything… the more we understand it. Now teams are more capable of fighting back.

I think this is part of it but not the full story.
 

Windhook

Well-known member
The failure of offside traps can be attributed to Araujo. He was less featured in games last season and now he's starting every game.

Inigo understood the concept much better.
 

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