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Hans-Dieter Flick
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Maradona37
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Tiny sample size.
Also, Hojlund is still playing as a traditional 9 (though Napoli are playing to his strengths more with de Bruyne balls in behind for him to run on to).
It's still very early in the season and too early to make full judgements. Something many people on this site love to do is make big judgements and proclamations based on one game or a few games.
Maradona37
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That's not true, plenty of their players have left and still been rubbish. It's just the ones who did well are talked about more because it's funny to rub in how bad United are as a club.
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Fati_Future_BallonDor
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Szech about Hansi's system:
”Last season, there are things we didn’t do perfectly and that we need to improve. If we have a very high defensive line and don’t have control of the game and the ball, it’s a huge risk, because you lose the ball and are exposed. I don’t think we need to change our tactics. One of the aspects we need to improve is ball control, otherwise, our defenders will be in trouble. It’s not easy, no, to sprint 50 meters back every time because, at some point, you lose energy and, at an important moment, you don’t make it. Therefore, what we need to do is try to build on what we did last season and improve it. “I think we proved last season what our system can offer us. Yes, it is risky, but when we play at our highest level, there aren’t many teams that can compete with us, but we have to be at our highest level. That’s why, although losing the game against Sevilla is painful, it’s a good lesson because you have to understand that it can become embarrassing if you don’t do things right. So I don’t think that’s the problem. I would never criticize the system. I would criticize the way we played in that system in a given game. And those two games this season where we didn’t do well enough. One was the Rayo Vallecano game and the other was in Sevilla, and it’s a clear message that we have to do better. The system isn’t the problem. Usually, it’s how you act within the system.”
”Last season, there are things we didn’t do perfectly and that we need to improve. If we have a very high defensive line and don’t have control of the game and the ball, it’s a huge risk, because you lose the ball and are exposed. I don’t think we need to change our tactics. One of the aspects we need to improve is ball control, otherwise, our defenders will be in trouble. It’s not easy, no, to sprint 50 meters back every time because, at some point, you lose energy and, at an important moment, you don’t make it. Therefore, what we need to do is try to build on what we did last season and improve it. “I think we proved last season what our system can offer us. Yes, it is risky, but when we play at our highest level, there aren’t many teams that can compete with us, but we have to be at our highest level. That’s why, although losing the game against Sevilla is painful, it’s a good lesson because you have to understand that it can become embarrassing if you don’t do things right. So I don’t think that’s the problem. I would never criticize the system. I would criticize the way we played in that system in a given game. And those two games this season where we didn’t do well enough. One was the Rayo Vallecano game and the other was in Sevilla, and it’s a clear message that we have to do better. The system isn’t the problem. Usually, it’s how you act within the system.”
Maradona37
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Less talk, more action, imo.
Too many people in football are extremely good at talking about what they should do in theory, but never carry it out in practice.
Temptation
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So true.
This is why Flick doesn't work in International Football.
International Football is completely different for managers. That's why Southgate is a good international manager but terrible club manager.
Also Nesta is the greatest CB I have ever seen alongside one other CB. I'm too young for Baresi.
This is why Flick doesn't work in International Football.
International Football is completely different for managers. That's why Southgate is a good international manager but terrible club manager.
Also Nesta is the greatest CB I have ever seen alongside one other CB. I'm too young for Baresi.
Maradona37
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Yes. It is more about creating a feel good atmosphere and there's more chances for individual quality to shine. I think 'no tactics' is an overstatement, but it's less tactical by a long way than club football.
In some ways though I like that - it connects back in to what I said about international football being somewhat more like past football - there's less chance to create super teams as you cannot just buy players (though obviously the traditional superpowers like France, Germany etc with most money and best academies will still dominate) and there's more room for individual expression. We sometimes see that at tournaments.
I guess an international analogue of a Brighton or a Brentford might be Ecuador or Japan - traditionally smaller entities who have emerged in this century via good scouting/development and intelligent investment and a real hunger to improve to a good level and improve its football culture. Albeit not to the elite level like Argentina, France, Spain, Liverpool, Man City or Barcelona.
Thoughts @Porque?
In some ways though I like that - it connects back in to what I said about international football being somewhat more like past football - there's less chance to create super teams as you cannot just buy players (though obviously the traditional superpowers like France, Germany etc with most money and best academies will still dominate) and there's more room for individual expression. We sometimes see that at tournaments.
I guess an international analogue of a Brighton or a Brentford might be Ecuador or Japan - traditionally smaller entities who have emerged in this century via good scouting/development and intelligent investment and a real hunger to improve to a good level and improve its football culture. Albeit not to the elite level like Argentina, France, Spain, Liverpool, Man City or Barcelona.
Thoughts @Porque?
Maradona37
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I know you aren't talking to me, but have you seen the 'Rio is better than Nesta' thread on Redcafe? The copium is unreal. As bad as their copium and underrating of Van Dijk (who I assume you are referring to there, either him or Maldini).
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To an extent.
It's no coincidence that the national teams to excel are one of two versions
1) majority core positions in a single club so that they play a simplified version of club football with those players holding the core tactically and the rest slotting in. Best example is Xavi Spain.
2) Generational team. One that has stuck together through the youth development system (France 98-2002) or one that has stuck the core together from many international tournaments (Argentina of Messi, but started around. 2012/14 without the tournament triumphs).
Then there is a third category. Teams that organise prolonged training camps to artificially create this like Morocco.
And it is why England play so basic and despite having the talent never really crossed over to International football.
Southgate got closest (rather obviously), but I think that his downfall was that he tried to play too English. The team should have looked to how the Argies done it and held it tight in midfield and defence and focus on quick balls to the wings and box.
Alas, not that I'm complaining. Not at all.
Maradona37
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Yeah agree, really good post.
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