Camp Nou

Windhook said:

2008 was when the economic crisis hit. Nou Mestalla, again, is one of those unfortunate projects that got caught mid-crisis and was abandoned. Despite the CVC deal Valencia accepted, construction work hasn't resumed.


Camp Nou renovation could have happened earlier, but I don't remember Rosell throwing the idea around. Bartomeu teased the idea a few times.

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It wasnt happening with Messi there is the reality.

Barto was the one who Espai Barca and more or less current plans were from.. but again wasnt going to happen at that time either.

To make out club waited decades for new stadium others is plainly false.

RedxMAK said:

Club was in a bad situation financially anyways by 2003. So renovating the stadium was unrealistic

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They literally started it in a far far worse situation.

The stadium Laporta mocked up in 2007 was horrendous compared to this one.

It will have been a quick set of plans they knew woulndt happen most likely.

JamDav1982 said:

They literally started it in a far far worse situation.

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We had just won the league and the stadium will pay off for itself. Why do some people try to act as if renovating the stadium is a bad thing to try to push their agenda against Laporta????

RedxMAK said:

We had just won the league and the stadium will pay off for itself. Why do some people try to act as if renovating the stadium is a bad thing to try to push their agenda against Laporta????

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Which would have been the case in 2003.. no club build a stadium they dont think would pay for itself. That is the whole point of it for likes of Barca who cant have owners build one.

Who has said it is a 'bad thing'?

Laporta won in 2003, no chance the stadium gets done, in the first 4-5 years, we had too much going on.

So if we were to rebuild it would have been done in the late 2000's and we all know what happened there or at least I assume we do.

But if memory serves me correct they did some fresh on the stadium and it's interior.

Then he leaves in 2010 with the foster design in place, now I'll have given credit to barto, because this design is better, even though laporta took it to another level

But we had Rosell and Barto for how many years? Club is on top of the fucking world, multiple ways to build a new stadium and nothing.

Now iff they had.

1. Just do the foster design, then a few years later develop the whole Barca Space concept, like Atleti are doing now. The club would be significantly better off.

2. They hate the foster design and wanted to do their own, still didn't do fucking shit, but talk.

Here comes laporta back again, when the club is at its lowest point and all the issues happening in the world economically, and he says we absolutely have to do this for the future of the club.

If you don't think he's doing something GREAT, wether you like him or not, you're idiot, which is why only 4 posters on here, constantly try to talk shit about something where it's literally impossible to land a bunch on him about.

Because they are idiots.

RedxMAK said:

We had just won the league and the stadium will pay off for itself. Why do some people try to act as if renovating the stadium is a bad thing to try to push their agenda against Laporta????

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Whoever say it's a bad thing needs a fan check on Barca.

Winning La Liga was no leverage. This current era is the worst financially in Barca history since I'm a fan. And Laporta took a huge bank loan do demolish Camp Nou to rebuild it under those circumstances. It's a risk.

Jesus the clueless get worse..... just make the 2007 design that Laporta came up with and upgrade it at a later date again.. top ideas those.

Laporta is the President who did nothing to start a new stadium for the longest time over past 'decades' prior to 2021.

Laporta absolutely did not take the current design to 'another level' it is largely what was there previously and a bigger project to the benefit of Barca than his horrible effort of 2007 that he did nothing on at all to get moving.

Was never happening with peak Messi.

Ok I was taking it too far there, basically no one is saying it’s a bad thing. But people on this forum whine so much about the delays and the lies as if it doesn’t happen to literally any major construction project in the world

RedxMAK said:

Ok I was taking it too far there, basically no one is saying it’s a bad thing. But people on this forum whine so much about the delays and the lies as if it doesn’t happen to literally any major construction project in the world

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Folk whine when others make out all has gone to plan as if expected to be late..

The last few windows and lies about Barca FFP situation and not knowing where would play until recently being evidence of it.

Laporta has taken the design of the board before him and loans from the bank to build the stadium.. and correct to at that time.

Folk make out it is much more than that as if others sat and did nothing for 'decades'.

It should also be noted, that the same people who talk shit now about the stadium are the same ones who talked non Sense about the levers and wanted us to happily lose for a few years.

I think we all now how that worked out.

Mind you what they wanted laporta to do, is basically what tebas and la liga is doing now for the league as a whole.


Tebas "Let's sell our best players, settle everything down and a few years we will be ready to go".

Mean wild the EPL is pulling further and further away, does anyone think when LA Liga is finally in a good place according to tebas and whoever in however many years they will be able to catch back up to the EPL.

Does anyone think if we sat on our asses for 4-6 years and happily lose, we would be able to catch back up to Madrid, PSG, City, Liverpool, Bayern?.

All these things, levers, staying competitive, the stadium are linked.

SO don't listen to the fools, they have no idea what they are talking about.

JamDav1982 said:

Jesus the clueless get worse..... just make the 2007 design that Laporta came up with and upgrade it at a later date.

Laporta is the President who did nothing to start a new stadium for the longest time over past 'decades' prior to 2021.

Laporta absolutely did not take the current design to 'another level' it is largely what was there previously and a bigger project to the benefit of Barca.

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Laporta for good measure didn’t fully take the idea of renovating the stadium into consideration until it was feasible and realistic. That’s why designs were made in 2007 and not in 2003, 2004 or 2005. You have to consider that the club in 2003 was at its lowest point truly, coming off another horrendous season finishing 6th for the first time in 15 years. With debts reaching up to €160m which adjusting to inflation is €256m and while making revenues less than that of Roma, Dortmund and Newcastle as proven by the 12th placed finish in the 2004 Deloitte Money League. €123.4m made in that season which adjusted to inflation is around €200m, simply put Barcelona did not have the economic potential to undergo such a project. In the 2025 Deloitte Money League, Barcelona made €762m despite not having the Camp Nou, in the previous year it made €800m. The point is Barcelona did not have the economic potential to be able to build and pay for the stadium as it does now. We simply weren't good or rich enough to go through that extensive process.

'Talk shit about the stadium'.

Jamrock claimed CVC deal made business sense when thought Barca were gong down that route.. think we all know how that worked out.

Back to the stadium.... build the 2007 design then upgrade again at later date is about most moronic claim yet.

RedxMAK said:

Laporta for good measure didn’t fully take the idea of renovating the stadium into consideration until it was feasible and realistic. That’s why designs were made in 2007 and not in 2003, 2004 or 2005. You have to consider that the club in 2003 was at its lowest point truly, coming off another horrendous season finishing 6th for the first time in 15 years. With debts reaching up to €160m which adjusting to inflation is €256m and while making revenues less than that of Roma, Dortmund and Newcastle as proven by the 12th placed finish in the 2004 Deloitte Money League. €123.4m made in that season which adjusted to inflation is around €200m, simply put Barcelona did not have the economic potential to undergo such a project. In the 2025 Deloitte Money League, Barcelona made €762m despite not having the Camp Nou, in the previous year it made €800m. The point is Barcelona did not have the economic potential to be able to build and pay for the stadium as it does now. We simply weren't good or rich enough to go through that extensive process.

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Aye aye.. but it took 'decades'.

The 2007 was rushed and most likely nothing but politics. Awful design.

Barca were at lower point in 2021.

JamDav1982 said:

Aye aye.. but it took 'decades'.

The 2007 was rushed and most likely nothing but politics. Awful design.

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Now I personally did not say it took decades...

RedxMAK said:

Now I personally did not say it took decades...

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To be fair that it was others than have no clue who think Barca should have built Laportas woeful 2007 design and then just upgrade it all again..

Thats the level of understanding some have.

No one is claiming Barca should have been breaking ground on a new stadium in 2004...well those that say it took decades are but no one else.