Hans-Dieter Flick

Hansi Flick - how do we rate him?

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Gaudi

Gaudi

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serghei said:
We won't change our plan to make it easier for CBs. And they won't really get improvement, just a masking of their issues. They will just get more players next to them to help out when they fuck up. Nothing will improve Araujo for example except someone closer to clean up his mess.

Said it before the match also. We lack a player of reliable individual quality in defense. Araujo is a bum, Inigo is good, but not great, and Cubarsi plays his age with the big errors that are typical for a low experience CB.

Fit Christensen would have been a big help.
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I don't know, my opinion is that no defender in the world can do good with this setup. It is 90 mins of pain for them. Again, I don't mind high line but with bit more pragmatic approach at least during some periods of the game. If Martin yesterday had Raph close he would have chased Thuram. If we had more bodies in the box chances are Araujo wouldn't be 1 on 1. Again, I am not saying play deep defensive line but sometimes adapt accordingly, I mean it was CL semis and 93rd minute. And if it is counter we are looking for, in those dying moments wherever you get the ball you can counter as opposition is all pushed forward so no need to press them high up.
 
jamrock

jamrock

Senior Member
Gaudi said:
I don't know, my opinion is that no defender in the world can do good with this setup. It is 90 mins of pain for them. Again, I don't mind high line but with bit more pragmatic approach at least during some periods of the game. If Martin yesterday had Raph close he would have chased Thuram. If we had more bodies in the box chances are Araujo wouldn't be 1 on 1. Again, I am not saying play deep defensive line but sometimes adapt accordingly, I mean it was CL semis and 93rd minute. And if it is counter we are looking for, in those dying moments wherever you get the ball you can counter as opposition is all pushed forward so no need to press them high up.
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That simply really.

Especially the raphinha part.

So where raph should have been at that point in the game but withing 5 inches of Martin lol
 
FCBfan22

FCBfan22

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Also, didn't like everybody bombing forward when up 2-3. Those counters could easily be played with 3 players, as Inter was so high up. Midfielders had no business countering.
 
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Don Juan Laporta Estruch

Don Juan Laporta Estruch

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It doesn't matter who we play in defence, the goals were concede are just embarrassingly easy to score.

The players who we allow to score multiple goals against us ( Dumfries, Pavlidus etc ) are of an embarrassing standard for a club of our stature.

I like Hansi, but I'm not sure who else you can blame when our opponent basically doesn't need to do ANYTHING worthy of note to score a goal.

When you concede goals as easy as we do, you are climbing Mount Everest from the get go. Teams that win the Champions League play a more abseiling down Mount Everest style of football.

Mister needs to start setting things up so that perfection is not required to win.
 
jamrock

jamrock

Senior Member
Don Juan Laporta Estruch said:
It doesn't matter who we play in defence, the goals were concede are just embarrassingly easy to score.

The players who we allow to score multiple goals against us ( Dumfries, Pavlidus etc ) are of an embarrassing standard for a club of our stature.

I like Hansi, but I'm not sure who else you can blame when our opponent basically doesn't need to do ANYTHING worthy of note to score a goal.

When you concede goals as easy as we do, you are climbing Mount Everest from the get go. Teams that win the Champions League play a more abseiling down Mount Everest style of football.

Mister needs to start setting things up so that perfection is not required to win.
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Correct.

Love what he's done this season, not even being too critical.

But come the fuck on bro, 3 minutes you can't say let's chill and keep the ball or go to the flag.

Yamal gets the ball and just slow down and pass it back and around....
 
jairzinho

jairzinho

Senior Member
jamrock said:
Correct.

Love what he's done this season, not even being too critical.

But come the fuck on bro, 3 minutes you can't say let's chill and keep the ball or go to the flag.

Yamal gets the ball and just slow down and pass it back and around....
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Inexperience, Naivety, reckless abandon, ignorance. This is what comes to mind. We failed to make the right decisions in the most critical moment and it cost us big time.

I also think with a genuine leader on the field at that moment we would not have found ourselves in that position. A Puyol or Mascherano. While i would blame Hansi i think the players themselves should have taken mattrers into their own hands and park the bus. Alas.
 
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serghei

serghei

Senior Member
Gaudi said:
I don't know, my opinion is that no defender in the world can do good with this setup. It is 90 mins of pain for them. Again, I don't mind high line but with bit more pragmatic approach at least during some periods of the game. If Martin yesterday had Raph close he would have chased Thuram. If we had more bodies in the box chances are Araujo wouldn't be 1 on 1. Again, I am not saying play deep defensive line but sometimes adapt accordingly, I mean it was CL semis and 93rd minute. And if it is counter we are looking for, in those dying moments wherever you get the ball you can counter as opposition is all pushed forward so no need to press them high up.
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They don't even have to be that good. Just not do THAT MANY blunders, one after another. If Araujo doesn't go full-bum at the end, we go through, and it's still a match riddled with many individual errors from Cubarsi, Martin, Olmo.

It's tough to say no good defender can function under this setup. Our line-up of players in central defense doesn't have anyone that is of high quality.

Araujo - bum
Christensen - crooked
Cubarsi - young and naive
Inigo - oldish, not much experience in big games

I mean, before we say no defender in the world can be good with this setup, I propose we first try to have a top defender signed.
 
serghei

serghei

Senior Member
It takes a high quality CB to do well under Flick no doubt. In that sense, I agree, average doesn't cut it. And bums are a nuclear implosion.
 
jamrock

jamrock

Senior Member
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Used some S25 ultra Galaxy AI magic to edit this picture.

If we looked like this, for that counter, we are all celebrating a CL final Now.

Just moved the position of 3 players that were in frame, even with the Martin slip/foul.

The cross is covered and any Cut back is covered by de Jong.

What could have been 😢.
 
serghei

serghei

Senior Member
They would have more men in the box also, but you have a point. Also, it's gonna be unlikely we get our hand on a top CB next summer considering our finances, so Flick better learn fast from these cruel lessons or else this shit can happen again.
 
jamrock

jamrock

Senior Member
serghei said:
They would have more men in the box also, but you have a point. Also, it's gonna be unlikely we ever get our hand on a top CB considering our finances, so Flick better learn fast from these cruel lessons or else this shit can happen again.
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They wouldn't though, those were all the players in frame, most that would have changed is the player beside the ref would be closer to de Jong, but again he would have been covered
 
DonAK

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
Even with a better setup it’s obvious someone like Araujo cannot be relied upon.

When he isn’t getting torched by players in direct duels his passing can kill us.

And if not that he’ll concede a stupid foul for no reason.

He’s an incredible player to be honest.

Not often you see someone as big, supposedly strong and athletic as him have so many ways to kill his own team in multiple ways.
 
Nello

Nello

Member
DonAK said:
Even with a better setup it’s obvious someone like Araujo cannot be relied upon.

When he isn’t getting torched by players in direct duels his passing can kill us.

And if not that he’ll concede a stupid foul for no reason.

He’s an incredible player to be honest.

Not often you see someone as big, supposedly strong and athletic as him have so many ways to kill his own team in multiple ways.
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It's even the simple things. His sideways passes to a fellow defender are like half the time behind them, so Cubarsí or Eric for example couldn't just pass it on straight away and circulate the ball with tempo, but have to take a few steps back to collect the ball and turn around. One thing is might not offer razor sharp line breaking passes, but even simple sideways passes are often imprecise and bad. It's just not good enough
 
KingLeo10

KingLeo10

Senior Member
Woke up less fuming and looking at positives.

Btw, this is the only game I remember us outplaying, dominating, and scoring 3 goals at a tough away stadium in a CL semi final.

Or anyone else for that matter.

His philosophy is crazy but the all out attacking intent is absolutely Barcelona and absolutely the reason we scored 3 in a half at San Siro.

He needs more bench depth and no brainless defenders like Araujo for the final push (CL). We already will win the domestic treble, and that too by beating RM 4 in 4 (let’s see).
 
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Temptation

Well-known member
KingLeo10 said:
Woke up less fuming and looking at positives.

Btw, this is the only game I remember us outplaying, dominating, and scoring 3 goals at a tough away stadium in a CL semi final.

Or anyone else for that matter.

His philosophy is crazy but the all out attacking intent is absolutely Barcelona and absolutely the reason we scored 3 in a half at San Siro.

He needs more bench depth and no brainless defenders like Araujo for the final push (CL). We already will win the domestic treble, and that too by beating RM 4 in 4 (let’s see).
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This is a fair take. His philosophy is what got Hansi there in the first place. It's great and amazing to watch. He just needs to be a bit more flexible in the clutch moments sometimes.

Even Pep who is famous for his philosophy, does it in the last few minutes of the biggest games.

Sometimes you just have to park the bus and waste time for the last 5 minutes. It makes it a lot easier for the defenders. They don't have to participate in high pressure 1 v 1s that you face playing a high line. Gotta agree with Jamrock there.

Overall, Flick has done a remarkable job and Barca play the best Football in Europe. Season is still a massive success by every single metric. That is why the CL semi final loss hurts the fans because Barca could have easily and deservingly won the whole thing.
 
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