Hans-Dieter Flick

[serghei]

Woke up less fuming and looking at positives.

Btw, this is the only game I remember us outplaying, dominating, and scoring 3 goals at a tough away stadium in a CL semi final.

Or anyone else for that matter.

His philosophy is crazy but the all out attacking intent is absolutely Barcelona and absolutely the reason we scored 3 in a half at San Siro.

He needs more bench depth and no brainless defenders like Araujo for the final push (CL). We already will win the domestic treble, and that too by beating RM 4 in 4 (let’s see).

Yeah, now if he also learns to be more pragmatic in those pivotal moments when it's desperately needed... then you can build a case for Flick being not just a very good manager for us, but one of the best in our history and possibly among the best full stop over the last 30-35 years. He has everything else except for the required pragmatism to kill off games.

 

[KingLeo10]

This is a fair take. His philosophy is what got Hansi there in the first place. It's great and amazing to watch. He just needs to be a bit more flexible in the clutch moments sometimes.

Even Pep who is famous for his philosophy, does it in the last few minutes of the biggest games.

Sometimes you just have to park the bus and waste time for the last 5 minutes. It makes it a lot easier for the defenders. They don't have to participate in high pressure 1 v 1s that you face playing a high line. Gotta agree with Jamrock there.

Overall, Flick has done a remarkable job and Barca play the best Football in Europe. Season is still a massive success by every single metric. That is why the CL semi final loss hurts the fans because Barca could have easily and deservingly won the whole thing.

Pep learned after getting slapped around in Europe by RM, MSN Barca, up and coming Pool, even Spurs, Chelsea, and even old ass RM

And don’t forget that epic choke job vs AM in 2016.

There are no perfect managers for CL. Even your favorite ones (SAF, Mou, Jurgen etc.) have all had insane humiliations and questionable philosophy.

Even Carlo with his 5 wins has the biggest CL finals choke job and Deportivo on his resume. This is a competition of moments (like an actual battle), and that’s why I only rate players and managers as all timers if they do it in the big cups repeatedly.

 

[freetocan]

Even with a better setup it’s obvious someone like Araujo cannot be relied upon.

When he isn’t getting torched by players in direct duels his passing can kill us.

And if not that he’ll concede a stupid foul for no reason.

He’s an incredible player to be honest.

Not often you see someone as big, supposedly strong and athletic as him have so many ways to kill his own team in multiple ways.

Man, you are so right!!!!

 

[serghei]

Think it also played tricks on us how easy it looked in the 2nd half to come back into this game. We kind of let the momentum get to us and carry us towards scoring the 4th. But with so little time on the clock, the risk was simply too great to take it. Even if the nature of the game carries you forward, you have to be smarter than we were.

 

[Messigician]

Idc it’s inexcusable for me to not shut down shop and take take the 4-3 win at the 93rd minute

 

[Givenchy]

The work Flick has done this season has been incredible if you consider where we were this time last year. However, conceding 7 goals in 2 legs vs an Inter with a half fit Lautaro and Thuram up front.. that is more than just individual errors.

It was great for the neutrals but really think Flick should've gone more defensive from the start.

 

[zanela]

I have a genuine question to those who watched it till the end. At 2-3 was it really Flick who told them to push forward to score another one? Was there any such indication coming from the side line? We could close out the CDR final after Kounde scored the winner and had previously won against Atleti by scoring a goal in the first half and then defending by keeping possesion, and there were a couple of LL games won in a similar fashion.
Having an attacking philosophy doesn't necessarily mean the manager wants you to attack senselessly at all times. He also affords the players the license to act according to the situation. With only a few minutes left, could it be that Flick trusted the players to do what was sensible at the time and our players' acted on their attacking impulse due to inexperience and poor judgement. I can't fathom any manager whatever the philosophy, would want the team to play reckless in the dying minutes of a big game. These critical guidelines would have already been communicated to them in training.

 

[Messigician]

Can anyone here tell me why Lewa was subbed on if he wasn’t fit?

 

[Messigician]

I have a genuine question to those who watched it till the end. At 2-3 was it really Flick who told them to push forward to score another one?

Yes no doubt

Everyone knows his philosophy

 

[jamrock]

I have a genuine question to those who watched it till the end. At 2-3 was it really Flick who told them to push forward to score another one? Was there any such indication coming from the side line? We could close out the CDR final after Kounde scored the winner and had previously won against Atleti by scoring a goal in the first half and then defending by keeping possesion, and there were a couple of LL games won in a similar fashion.
Having an attacking philosophy doesn't necessarily mean the manager wants you to attack senselessly at all times. He also affords the players the license to act according to the situation. With only a few minutes left, could it be that Flick trusted the players to do what was sensible at the time and our players' acted on their attacking impulse due to inexperience and poor judgement. I can't fathom any manager whatever the philosophy, would want the team to play reckless in the dying minutes of a big game. These critical guidelines would have already been communicated to them in training.

Nothin in his managerial career with us, Germany or Bayern suggest he's the manager to tell players to sit on the lead.

It's something that's programmed in them from day one.

He should have literally told them yesterday at the 90th minute to take it easily, the game is won.

 

[serghei]

I have a genuine question to those who watched it till the end. At 2-3 was it really Flick who told them to push forward to score another one? Was there any such indication coming from the side line? We could close out the CDR final after Kounde scored the winner and had previously won against Atleti by scoring a goal in the first half and then defending by keeping possesion, and there were a couple of LL games won in a similar fashion.
Having an attacking philosophy doesn't necessarily mean the manager wants you to attack senselessly at all times. He also affords the players the license to act according to the situation. With only a few minutes left, could it be that Flick trusted the players to do what was sensible at the time and our players' acted on their attacking impulse due to inexperience and poor judgement. I can't fathom any manager whatever the philosophy, would want the team to play reckless in the dying minutes of a big game. These critical guidelines would have already been communicated to them in training.

Think Raphinha scored in min 87 or something. So we had 5-7 minutes left. If Flick wanted the team to drop back, he would have instructed them to do that. I didn't see any close up with him making gestures hinting he wants the team to change the approach.

It's almost as if there was no reaction to the Raphinha goal. Nothing changed in our approach after the goal until the Acerbi goal.

Think his instincts are full on offense, and he simply needs to contain that and think more clearly at certain moments. It seemed he could not make the tactical adjustments after Raphinha's goal in time.

 

[KingLeo10]

Think Raphinha scored in min 87 or something. So we had 5-7 minutes left. If Flick wanted the team to drop back, he would have instructed them to do that. I didn't see any close up with him making gestures hinting he wants the team to change the approach.

It's almost as if there was no reaction to the Raphinha goal. Nothing changed in our approach after the goal until the Acerbi goal.

The flip side of this is if we sat deep and conceded under Inter's pressure, which let's face it, with this defense is still a very high chance, it would have been labelled as a monumental moment of cowardice when we had the initiative.

The truth is somewhere in between. Sitting deep isn't the solution either. It's just being smart and not committing too many on the break. It was this which was the critical error, which still would have been fixed if we had VVD instead of Araujo in defense.

 

[serghei]

It obviously didn't help that the team looked very threatening offensively even after Raphinha's goal. We got carried away and Inter struck the motherload in terms of luck.

 

[Messigician]

It obviously didn't help that the team looked very threatening offensively even after Raphinha's goal. We got carried away and Inter struck the motherload in terms of luck.

It isn’t luck we were naive it was a massive blunder as were Flick’s subs

No reason to sub on unfit Lewa over a defender like Christensen ZERO

 

[jamrock]

Think Raphinha scored in min 87 or something. So we had 5-7 minutes left. If Flick wanted the team to drop back, he would have instructed them to do that. I didn't see any close up with him making gestures hinting he wants the team to change the approach.

It's almost as if there was no reaction to the Raphinha goal. Nothing changed in our approach after the goal until the Acerbi goal.

Think his instincts are full on offense, and he simply needs to contain that and think more clearly at certain moments. It seemed he could not make the tactical adjustments after Raphinha's goal in time.

This is all I've been trying to say since yesterday.

Once we go up or at least the 90th minute, something should have triggered him or the team to switch the approach.

Araujo fucked up, but I think it was against Madrid not sure the team, where he came on and we were clearly given instructions to defend and all of us said he had a good game.

Perfect defender when you want to sit and defend a lead, many said.

That's all we should have done once we took the lead.