Hans-Dieter Flick

Hansi Flick - how do we rate him?

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jamrock

jamrock

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KingLeo10 said:
Araujo getting bullied by Dumfries on that 3rd goal.

Sickening to watch. This was his chance to show what different he can offer.
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I'm an araujo fan so maybe I'm blind to it, but how did he bully him though?

He came in from his back, I doubt he even knew he was there, the ball was already falling towards Dumfries by the team araujo jumped.

If anything it's on olmo, but more so just a complete defensive break down.

 
Iniesta Ultra

Iniesta Ultra

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We wouldn't even have a chance at CL or Liga without Yamal and his natural intelligence. Xavi and Flick aren't responsible for Yamal other than playing him.

Also I doubt there's ever been a greater disparity in player quality on a team as we have with Yamal and Martin.
 
KingLeo10

KingLeo10

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serghei said:
A point I agree with and made myself many times. But you have to see that the players who have improved showed important things before Flick and give credit to the players in question because they obviously have top qualities. They are not ordinary players.

You are not seeing Araujo being good on the ball with Flick. If the player is limited the manager can't do much. If the player is great, then a manager like Flick will improve him.
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Flick has been amazing overall.

But I have a sneaky suspicion that our big jump compared to last season is due to Yamal’s explosion following his amazing Euro win.

If we play without Yamal, I don’t think Flick’s system gets anywhere near the same offensive output, especially in big games.
 
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Temptation

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serghei said:
He got fecked by Guirassy also. He's just someone who is supposed to add something and can't even rely him on dominating the box in the air most of the time. Completely embarassing from a so called captain with a leader mentality.
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This is supposed to be one of Araujo's strengths?

We already know that he's tactically and technically weak.

He has to dominate physically and aerially to be a Barca level player. His strengths are his physicality, pace, 1v1 defending and aerial prowess.
 
serghei

serghei

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Temptation said:
This is supposed to be one of Araujo's strengths?

We already know that he's tactically and technically weak.

He has to dominate physically and aerially to be a Barca level player. His strengths are his physicality, pace, 1v1 defending and aerial prowess.
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Yeah, turns out this big weapon of his is hit and miss also. Mostly miss.
 
serghei

serghei

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KingLeo10 said:
Flick has been amazing overall.

But I have a sneaky suspicion that our big jump compared to last season is due to Yamal’s explosion following his amazing Euro win.

If we play without Yamal, I don’t think Flick’s system gets anywhere near the same offensive output, especially in big games.
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Obviously. His system needs elite players. You cannot play exuberant attacking football without stars.

Bayern had them, Barca has them. We have most of the pieces locked in but the thin squad is a huge issue that is beyond Flick's control and ability to make a difference.
 
KingLeo10

KingLeo10

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serghei said:
Obviously. His system needs elite players.
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What I’m suggesting is something more. Yamal is looking like a generational player (he runs the play in most big games for over a year now, with huge clutch goals), and he makes Flick’s system. Without him, there is no system.

Yesterday, we were shell shocked 0-2 down until the moment of magic for 1-2
 
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Temptation

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KingLeo10 said:
The Dutch have a lot of physical, tall players including 6’4 VVD and they didn’t win all the battles in the box all game vs midget Argies. Probably because the Argies were very organized and just had more fire in their belly compared to the likes of Araujo, Cubarsi, and Inigo.

I’m only talking about that aspect of the games to show the contrast.
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But Inter have considerably better delivery from set pieces than Netherlands which is one of the biggest factors.

Also both the games ended as a draw at 2-2 and 3-3, right? The WC game was decided by penalty shootouts.

Think it's harsh to blame Flick for this. I agree that the defenders should do better.
 
serghei

serghei

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KingLeo10 said:
What I’m suggesting is something more. Yamal is looking like a generational player (he runs the play in most big games for over a year now, with huge clutch goals), and he makes Flick’s system. Without him, there is no system.
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Yeah, but Lewa is old. With a peak Lewandowski he woule be more the star. Obviously none of this would be possible without a player with Yamal's talent and skills looking at the current squad.

Yamal just appeared at the perfect moment.
 
serghei

serghei

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Temptation said:
But Inter have considerably better delivery from set pieces than Netherlands which is one of the biggest factors.

Also both the games ended as a draw at 2-2 and 3-3, right? The WC game was decided by penalty shootouts.

Think it's harsh to blame Flick for this. I agree that the defenders should do better.
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True. Pissed off last night, but the reality is that the defense let us and Flick down individually.

Maybe they redeem themselves in Italy. Especially supposed leaders like Araujo and Inigo.
 
KingLeo10

KingLeo10

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serghei said:
Yeah, but Lewa is old. With a peak Lewandowski he woule be more the star. Obviously none of this would be possible without a player with Yamal's talent and skills looking at the current squad.

Yamal just appeared at the perfect moment.
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Easy treble with 19/20 Lewa at the helm with Yamal and Raphinha.

I think we’re playing mind games ourselves and Lewa will be ready for Milan.

Inter the cunts were saying Dumfries and Thuram wouldn’t play and those were their 3 goals on the night :lol:
 
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ajnotkeith

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I agree with most of what Serghei is saying, but unfortunately I find it impossible to reconcile his new position with what he was saying at the start of the season.

He was claiming that making CL QF is a miracle and all praise be to Xavi for this miraculous achievement less than a season ago...

Now the squad is top level and this is where it should be!
 
serghei

serghei

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ajnotkeith said:
I agree with most of what Serghei is saying, but unfortunately I find it impossible to reconcile his new position with what he was saying at the start of the season.

He was claiming that making CL QF is a miracle and all praise be to Xavi for this miraculous achievement less than a season ago...

Now the squad is top level and this is where it should be!
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Not really. We can perform a miracle if we win the CL with this squad.

So far we are not in miracle territory. But amazing job so far for Hansi nonetheless.
 
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ajnotkeith

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Horatio said:
This is just aftertiming to the 10th power.

If Xavi were still coach and the football had improved a little from previous season, this list would be a summation of everything wrong with every player, withholding xavi from achieving true greatness.
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I feel like a few guys here just base their opinion on whatever they think makes Xavi look better at the moment.

What Serghei is saying about the squad being great anyway is correct, but coming from him, it seems like a 180 to respond to why Flick is doing much better with it.
 
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Temptation

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serghei said:
True. Pissed off last night, but the reality is that the defense let us and Flick down individually.

Maybe they redeem themselves in Italy. Especially supposed leaders like Araujo and Inigo.
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Barca's system is all about outscoring the opponents right now.

As long as the offense delivers, you'll be fine.

The defense is very mid overall.
 
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