La Liga Round 17: Villarreal - Barca 0-2
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serghei
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You are missing the point. Inigo was also a lability vs Inter. This whole affair is to improve the defense for big games, where Inigo shat the bed as well because he is not good enough for CL semis and final, which is the level we aspire to reach and the next logical step in our ascension to the top.
For the league, we can carry on as it is. We are overpowered offensively vs the rest of the Spanish teams and with Madrid in distress it is in our hands even with this defense. AM and Villareal were some of the most in form teams in Spain and we beat both even without playing at our max level. Lamine, Pedri, Raphinha will take care of us domesticallly, even two out of three are sufficient.
The bad part is competing vs likes of Bayern, EPL sides, PSG. At a level Inigo showed his limits a lot last season. Inter was a side we should have beaten, but our defenders, be it Cubarsi, Martin, or Inigo himself, shat the bed, and let's not even mention our CB terrorist Araujo. That is the issue. Just a better keeper is not going to pull off miracles. We either improve our defense or we will go out vs bigger sides, Inigo is irrelevant to the matter.
Rarely have I seen people holding a 34 year old defender with next to zero experience in big games be held to an absurd standard like this. Who gives a shit if Inigo is a 6 and the rest of the CBs are a 5. We need a 7 or 8 at least. You can dissect levels of mediocrity all day, at the end of the day mediocre is still mediocre. Inigo improves things in a very limited way which is still painfully insufficient.
They are not good enough. Sign players that are. Only option. I don't care what Flick may want or not, Deco needs to step in and sign defenders as a club level priority.
For the league, we can carry on as it is. We are overpowered offensively vs the rest of the Spanish teams and with Madrid in distress it is in our hands even with this defense. AM and Villareal were some of the most in form teams in Spain and we beat both even without playing at our max level. Lamine, Pedri, Raphinha will take care of us domesticallly, even two out of three are sufficient.
The bad part is competing vs likes of Bayern, EPL sides, PSG. At a level Inigo showed his limits a lot last season. Inter was a side we should have beaten, but our defenders, be it Cubarsi, Martin, or Inigo himself, shat the bed, and let's not even mention our CB terrorist Araujo. That is the issue. Just a better keeper is not going to pull off miracles. We either improve our defense or we will go out vs bigger sides, Inigo is irrelevant to the matter.
Rarely have I seen people holding a 34 year old defender with next to zero experience in big games be held to an absurd standard like this. Who gives a shit if Inigo is a 6 and the rest of the CBs are a 5. We need a 7 or 8 at least. You can dissect levels of mediocrity all day, at the end of the day mediocre is still mediocre. Inigo improves things in a very limited way which is still painfully insufficient.
They are not good enough. Sign players that are. Only option. I don't care what Flick may want or not, Deco needs to step in and sign defenders as a club level priority.
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jamrock
Senior Member
Sid lowe
"This was a 38 minute game and for those 38 minutes Villarreal were the better side".
I agreed with this and pretty much Subs up the game, solid win to get us into the new year nothing more or less.
Garcia
Raphinha
Yamal
Eric
Looked good to varying degrees, Everyone was average or poor.
That's it, BYE.
Watching games without the distraction of this forum is really much better.
"This was a 38 minute game and for those 38 minutes Villarreal were the better side".
I agreed with this and pretty much Subs up the game, solid win to get us into the new year nothing more or less.
Garcia
Raphinha
Yamal
Eric
Looked good to varying degrees, Everyone was average or poor.
That's it, BYE.
Watching games without the distraction of this forum is really much better.
SeloBarca
Senior Member
Our midfield has a CB as a DM.
Gavi is injured all the time and not that great when hes playing.
Pedri has been inconsistant.
Olmo is injured 99% of the time.
De Jong is "doing his job" nothing more.
We have no striker, and Lewandowski is way past his prime.
The team has FAR more problems than just the defence, the defence is just the worst problem.
serghei
Senior Member
Not only you can't win CL with this defense, but how far you go depends on the draw. You draw a big team in Last 16 or Last 8, even repeating last season's CL run is a tall order. Winning CL is not even up for discussion, last season's draw was a gift. We had a 50-50 draw of Benfica vs PSG. Got lucky. This time could be different.
We could go out early with some bad luck.
We could go out early with some bad luck.
te amo barca
Blaugrana al vent
Pedri is the best CM in the world on par with Vitinha. His worst games are a 7/10, and they are very rare. Would not call him inconsistent.
malvolio
Senior Member
This team's performance hangs on Raphinha and Yamal. We can win LL if Real continue to be inconsistent. CL is a pipe dream.
We also relied on Messi and we had world class players throughout.
malvolio
Senior Member
It's like having a nuclear weapon and not using it because we were already stacked with conventional Tomahawks in every position. I don't understand the Messi era comparison.
This squad has some glaring problems which are masked well enough by Flick's approach and the current level of LL.
We don't have a striker, we play with a makeshift DM since Busquets left and the defense is atrocious.
KingLeo10
Senior Member
We will win LL most likely if we win the game v RM in the 2nd half of the season.
Might make a run at CDR.
No chance of CL - in fact, a very likely outcome is a beatdown from one of the more well oiled sides like PSG (we know their top level), Bayern, and even the likes of Chelsea or Arsenal or City.
The defense is just too comical to expect anything. The 6-7 in the semis last season may have come off as an epic result (despite a loss), but we saw what Inter's true level was - they were clowns and had we been in the final, we would have gotten 1-3ed or 2-5ed.
The 11 has too many holes (lack of proper ST, lack of proper 3rd midfield option, lack of TWO CBs, hot and cold RB, regressing LB).
Might make a run at CDR.
No chance of CL - in fact, a very likely outcome is a beatdown from one of the more well oiled sides like PSG (we know their top level), Bayern, and even the likes of Chelsea or Arsenal or City.
The defense is just too comical to expect anything. The 6-7 in the semis last season may have come off as an epic result (despite a loss), but we saw what Inter's true level was - they were clowns and had we been in the final, we would have gotten 1-3ed or 2-5ed.
The 11 has too many holes (lack of proper ST, lack of proper 3rd midfield option, lack of TWO CBs, hot and cold RB, regressing LB).
MonteCuler
Well-known member
Inter were not clowns
They got bamboozled in the final but perhaps we would as well, and many other teams
Before the final were one of the best sides in Europe on general consensus
MonteCuler
Well-known member
They had 0 depth and were finished by business end of the season. The effort they put against us in semis was their absolute last bits of energy
But before that their overall game was fantastic, they were a complete team. And I remember people saying through the season Inter is the team they wouldn't like to meet in KO's because of how well suited they are to hurt us. And they were right
Fati_Future_BallonDor
Humble guy
Inter wasnt as good as in season 23/24, imo they were 1-2 level worse last season BUT vs Barca they were completely different than in their matches before. In these 2 games 99% of the teams itw would have lost against them, keeping it so close was a miracle from Flick. In final they were back to their normal level of that season even though i have to say PSG was icecold, dont think any other team would have won against them, LE created a monster team.
In terms of CL, im optimistic, with Raphi we look different. There is already a huge improvement compared to the games earlier in this season, maybe we will peak in 2nd half like PSG did last season. The defence is horrible atm but there were games where they looked solid and for CL you also need a bit luck.
Whatever happens we can be sure that Hansi is extracting the full potential from this squad.
In terms of CL, im optimistic, with Raphi we look different. There is already a huge improvement compared to the games earlier in this season, maybe we will peak in 2nd half like PSG did last season. The defence is horrible atm but there were games where they looked solid and for CL you also need a bit luck.
Whatever happens we can be sure that Hansi is extracting the full potential from this squad.
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MonteCuler
Well-known member
Joan is our chance in europe
He is capable of some crazy saves. If he can make in the pressure of big CL nights then we have a big advantage
malvolio
Senior Member
Worst Inter in years. Basically the end road of a team which peaked in 2023/24.
But lots of clowns think this was some super team.
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