8 - Pedri

serghei

serghei

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I like Pedri, De Jong. But them paired with Olmo and Lamine. Too lightweight. No wonder we missed Raphinha so much. We need more players who are athletes and can stand toe to toe physically with the best from teams like Arsenal, Chelsea etc.

These 4 just don't cut defensively together. So the odd man out is Olmo in some games.
 
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Temptation

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JamDav1982 said:
FDJ is the better defensive player by far at DM.

Gavi runs a lot and makes tackles and gets skinned a lot and leaves space.
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Think you overrate FDJ's defensive ability but he's definitely a better DM than Gavi because of his IQ and positional awareness. Gavi doesn't have tactical and positional discipline yet.

FDJ's ball winning and tackling ability is pretty underwhelming though imo.
 
serghei

serghei

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Temptation said:
Think you overrate FDJ's defensive ability but he's definitely a better DM than Gavi because of his IQ and positional awareness. Gavi doesn't have tactical and positional discipline yet.

FDJ's ball winning and tackling ability is pretty underwhelming though imo.
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De Jong's and Pedri is one of the softest double pivots I've seen personally. Especially when also looking at who plays around them in terms of support. Olmo, Lamine, Cubarsi. Neither of them intimidates anyone physically from the strongest sides. On the softer technical side for sure, all of them.
 
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Temptation

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In terms of defensive attributes:

Tackling: Gavi
Defensive awareness: FDJ
Positional and tactical discipline: FDJ
Pressing: Gavi
Strength/Bravery: Gavi
Pace: Dunno

Keep in mind that Gavi is still an inexperienced kid and can improve his positional sense with age, maturity and experience.
 
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JamDav1982

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Temptation said:
In terms of defensive attributes:

Tackling: Gavi
Defensive awareness: FDJ
Positional and tactical discipline: FDJ
Pressing: Gavi
Strength/Bravery: Gavi
Pace: Dunno

Keep in mind that Gavi is still an inexperienced kid and can improve his positional sense with age, maturity and experience.
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Gavi is not a better tackler. Gets skinned far too often for that claim.

Strength it is Frenkie by far.

Pace it is Frenkie by even further.
 
jamrock

jamrock

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People talk about gavi as if he's a seasoned professional, when he's only played 2 full seasons.

Mind you those two seasons were great for his age, but he has so much upside.

But de jong is a better DM than gavi, because Gavi isn't a DM, neither is De jong to be fair.

He's just a double pivot specialist, he needs a DM beside him.

But he definitely can't definitely eye test tells us that, if a striker is running at goal, I feel much more secure with a full fit Gavi to handle that situation that de jong.


In the box defending is not even close really.
 
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JamDav1982

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Frenkie is by far the better defender of the two.

Gavi runs more but to this point has no positional awareness and skinned far too often.
 
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JamDav1982

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Temptation said:
He is though. He gets beaten more because he commits a lot more and flies into challenges. Frenkie doesn't attempt as many tackles.


Frenkie looks pretty weak and soft to me. None of your midfielders are physically strong.
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Exactly... he chases ball and makes tackles and gets skinned a lot.

Frenkie is far stronger than Gavi it is not even close and much quicker.

More of an athlete.

Gavis Phil Jones act isnt all made up to be.
 
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JamDav1982

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Gavi that season compared to Frenkie this.

Almost identical tackles/interceptions made but Gavi loses x3 as many challenges and made more defensive errors leading to oppotion getting chances.

Also loses the ball a lot more which feeds into it.

Fairly narrow scope.. top 5 leagues. U21 and Midfielders.
 
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