Hans-Dieter Flick
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delancey
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Even the lousiest of experts understand that Flick’s philosophy is… if they score one, Flick scores two. The tolerance for goals conceded is higher for Flick’s offense is his defense.
Anyhow, the 8-2 defeat was like Pforzheim during WW2. Total destruction and humiliation… with the best player in history.
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Any system is down to the quality of your players at the end of the day. And Hansi doesn't have any of HIS players. Our best First Xi contain none of his signings bar the goalkeeper.
People praise Klopp, but I wonder how his gegenpress would have turned out if he wasn't able to buy players specifically suited to it.
Sometimes I think it would have been better for Flick if he just had an 'okay' season last season and then he wouldn't be getting the criticism he is this.
How hard is it to realise that Hansi was the best manager in the world for performing the miracles he did last season and now we are just reverting back to our median?
There are simply no grounds to be moaning at Flick. In fact, given our transfer market situation, it's Flick who should be the one who is disgruntled.
People praise Klopp, but I wonder how his gegenpress would have turned out if he wasn't able to buy players specifically suited to it.
Sometimes I think it would have been better for Flick if he just had an 'okay' season last season and then he wouldn't be getting the criticism he is this.
How hard is it to realise that Hansi was the best manager in the world for performing the miracles he did last season and now we are just reverting back to our median?
There are simply no grounds to be moaning at Flick. In fact, given our transfer market situation, it's Flick who should be the one who is disgruntled.
serghei
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Any manager benefits from having top players signed, not just Flick. There's several managers out there that if you build them a great enough squad they would get the team into the top 3-4 sides.
Flick's difficult job at this point is bring the squad he has to play to the maximum of their ability or prefferably above. He did it last season, but so far this season we've retured to type and very much playing at our expected squad level (if you factor in the abysmal defending part). Probably slightly under since you'd not expect this squad to get outplayed by Brugges and Sevilla level teams.
That's basically the managerial job at current Barca and it's been like that ever since Barto went away and left us to clean his mess. Try to take the players you have, make them consistently overperform so the club can aim high season by season with minimal spending, often against rivals who spend far more than us and have more valuable squads.
The current squad only had 1 out of 7-8 transfer windows or so operating at similar power to rivals like Madrid domestically, or PSG, EPL sides etc. on European stage. The summer of 2022, and that only because of levers. Not much else apart from that in terms of squad building. We've had to rely on subpar players for years and years on multiple starting positions.
Flick's difficult job at this point is bring the squad he has to play to the maximum of their ability or prefferably above. He did it last season, but so far this season we've retured to type and very much playing at our expected squad level (if you factor in the abysmal defending part). Probably slightly under since you'd not expect this squad to get outplayed by Brugges and Sevilla level teams.
That's basically the managerial job at current Barca and it's been like that ever since Barto went away and left us to clean his mess. Try to take the players you have, make them consistently overperform so the club can aim high season by season with minimal spending, often against rivals who spend far more than us and have more valuable squads.
The current squad only had 1 out of 7-8 transfer windows or so operating at similar power to rivals like Madrid domestically, or PSG, EPL sides etc. on European stage. The summer of 2022, and that only because of levers. Not much else apart from that in terms of squad building. We've had to rely on subpar players for years and years on multiple starting positions.
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serghei
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There is no such thing as figuring it out. There is only Flick making players work as hard as last season or even harder, or adjusting if they can't. There's nothing to figure out.
Sevilla and Brugges don't have peak Xavi, Messi, and Iniesta to resist pressing and find ways to pass through it with sublime technical control. If you press them well, you beat them to bits. The only reason they had it easy vs us and scored a lot of goals is because we didn't do our part at a level that is anywhere near good enough.
This system is basically all press. Press ruthlessly upfront and in midfield, and you have a chance to win against anyone. Press anything less than that, and you can get stuffed by anyone. It was like that from day one, and it is like that today. The difference is our level has dropped.
This system is not some fancy high-complexity juego de posicion like under Pep. But it's good enough to win with it against the current lot of teams, if we do our job and tweak a few things on tactical level.
Sevilla and Brugges don't have peak Xavi, Messi, and Iniesta to resist pressing and find ways to pass through it with sublime technical control. If you press them well, you beat them to bits. The only reason they had it easy vs us and scored a lot of goals is because we didn't do our part at a level that is anywhere near good enough.
This system is basically all press. Press ruthlessly upfront and in midfield, and you have a chance to win against anyone. Press anything less than that, and you can get stuffed by anyone. It was like that from day one, and it is like that today. The difference is our level has dropped.
This system is not some fancy high-complexity juego de posicion like under Pep. But it's good enough to win with it against the current lot of teams, if we do our job and tweak a few things on tactical level.
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Iniesta Ultra
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So nasty your shamelessness.
Pep and Lucho would laugh at Flick's system.
MonteCuler
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Pep and Lucho coach oil superteams with endless resources
They can laugh all they want, but Flick is coaching a broke Barça team and still keeps up with their level
Narratives change like socks for some of you. Last season Guardiola signed whoever he wanted yet had a shit season and Barça was 10x better. Now they are having a good spell but no guarantees they will have a better season than Barça when it's all said and done
No arguments that Pep and Lucho have superior systems and superior philosophies, it's GOAT tier managers we are talking about, but I would bet they don't "laugh" at all at Flick's system and they realize it's impressive how much it transformed Barça in just one season
Iniesta Ultra
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I've been consistent since Flick came that Bayernball doesn't belong here.
Lucho's cheap 18 yos are playing as well as the pricey seniors.
There's nothing stopping Flick from buying back Puig for peanuts either.
Lucho's cheap 18 yos are playing as well as the pricey seniors.
There's nothing stopping Flick from buying back Puig for peanuts either.
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Why Lucho not buy that one though?
Iniesta Ultra
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Barca has first right of refusal in contract and no club buys an ACL player until they know plays again
but rest of world would be fucked if we agreed and Lucho bought him
Temptation
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Haven't played a single game together this season
Temptation
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