Hans-Dieter Flick

[jamrock]

Kounde araujo christen balde .

Yep it's the same players.

We've also concede for fun with flick in the CL against benfica, Madrid has put at least 3 pass us twice if member serves under flick ball.

So that's basically the same, the main difference is every little team even in la liga wasn't scoring against us at will.

But no defender can defend 60 yards from goal not even the magical ones some think would solve the issue

 

[Raketa10]

Just forgetting the little thing, that this "unrealistic, unpractical and unsustainable" system brought us a demestic treble, 4 clasico trashings in a row and 2 minutes away from the CL final with a squad, many prophesied will struggle to reach top4 and compete in the EL. Not to mention a player like Rapha looked like a Ballon D'Or candidate, who also many fans called a failure transfer.

Always nice to pick things you don't like without looking at a bigger picture, that we were with PSG the most entertaining, sucessful and best team to watch over the entire season. That's not an opinion, thats a hard fact.

You're and many others who write like that just talk out of their ass. Fact is, this system needs specific requirements as any other needs. Flick chose this, our board chose him for this, so the work is now to make these requirements work again like last season. Nothing more to say for it.

PS: I said it a couple of times already. A physical state and problems can't be solved over 2 weeks like a tactical problem. This needs a longer period of time and people need to be patient.

Unrealistic is not the system, but the fans who are not patient and demand always successful brilliant football, especially from a team full of teenagers, that is under harsh financial restrictions since years, expecting never to have a bad form.

Unrealistic is expecting from an 18 year old Cubarsi to play like the best CBs in the world without ever having a bad form, completely ignoring that Barca's greatest in history were b-players or bench warmers at 18 years of age and started to play regulary 20+. These are unrealistic examples.

All of that is true. However, why do you think that the same formula that worked last year should be our long term solution? Managers and opponents clearly adapted to our tactics and believing that the same thing will work indefinitely against every opponent is highly unlikely.

 

[Devils]

And sign who and with what money? We have what we have and tactics should be adapted according to the situation. You can’t play a high line game without attackers and midfielders actually pressing. So you can either bench them, which is impossible because currently we have to many injured players or you can change the tactics. It's that simple.



If we continue to concede 3 or 4 goals against teams like Brugge, and all that during the election year, Laporta could be the first one to pull the forks out.

With the money you generate selling them?

I don't know, how about not renewing Araujo, Ter stegen etc..like we just did and try to sell them?

Teams are selling their are selling their trash for millions these days, meanwhile we continue to stick with the same failed group of players year in and year out.

 

[Barcaman]

why do we need to either go full kamikaze or low block double decker. this is a strawman by flick. no one expects barca to low block defense, we will fail. what about some balance? I know, its an extremist proposition...

I agree there. Didn't appreciate his comment other than making a general point of staying true to his system.
Should have adjusted the line. Maybe he would if we weren't trailing 3 times so maybe that's an excuse as we had to chase result and risk more.

We'll see in coming games.

 

[jamrock]

I've seen us drop 5-10 yards multiple times under flick & each time we did we won the game & look like a much more competent team & defense.

It can be done, it has been done with these very players (not including Garcia)

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Barça have caught rivals offside just 6 times in 4 UCL games this season, compared to 24 at the same stage last year.

Crazy stat.

Not enough pressure on the opponent plus sloppier defending + opponents adjusting to previous season strategies.

 

[Loki]

All of that is true. However, why do you think that the same formula that worked last year should be our long term solution? Managers and opponents clearly adapted to our tactics and believing that the same thing will work indefinitely against every opponent is highly unlikely.

You talk like Flick reinvented the wheel with his tactic and the opponents needed a year to find a solution. That's bullshit, because Flick didn't invent a high-line, it was already there since football exists. Meaning teams adapted to his tactic way earlier in the last season, but it still worked, because the team ran more than the opponent.

It can be that simple, because football isn't rocket science. You tactic will most of the time look better than the opponents, if you run more. I have absolutely zero doubt, that we'll start to win games comfortably again provided the team returns to the physical state of previous season and what will the excuse be then? Teams unadapted us again?
It stands and falls with the player's legs. Get the players healthy again, stop the injuries, start running more. That's the priority right now until the end of the year.

And then, if we start running on the same level again and we keep losing games, then you can say this tactic doesn't work anymore. But I'm sure it won't come to that, again provided we find our form and the fucking muscle fatigues and injuries stop.

edit: conceding goals like this has nothing to do with adaptation of the opponent, this is just players not following Flick's requirements. Leaving the passing player completely alone without any pressure from pressing, Balde attacking alone from 10m distance making the pass even easier, back-line understands too late to put the attacker into offside. This is only on us, that didn't happen last season.

 

[MonteCuler]

It does painfully remind of November-December. Players being mentally absent, some reliable players struggling with basic football techniques and generally team's body language screams of no confidence, maybe a good part of them is starting to have doubts about this system too

We gotta get back to winning in style soon. Rashford should do less dribbling and more runs. He is supposed to replace Raphinha, not be another Yamal.

 

[Birdy]

Kounde araujo christen balde .

Any XI with Kounde in it is a waiting to happen these days.

If I were Flick, I would totally station him on the bench for good.

Christensen is the most unfavored and mistreated.
Araujo or Eric at RB, Kounde benched, and Christensen in there should happen

 

[Iniesta Ultra]

Their first goal, in case anyone missed it live Ford knows they're setting the trap line to his position so he starts his sprint in opposite direction before curving back towards our goal. He doesn't need to see where our defenders are behind him to beat this stupid trap game.

That's all that any coach needs to tell their team to do, hold the pass until attacker starts their run in 'wrong' direction.

It's fundamental aikido, never fight, always apply power harmonically with your opponents (partners).

 

[Devils]

Flick or no Flick next year, Laporta and Deco need to make some key signings.

The biggest concern at this club should be if we allow ourselves to get into a position where a rebuild is not feasible given the team requirements and financial situation and as a result we continue to deteriorate.

I just don't see how this team doesn't have huge glaring holes unless a ST, LW, LB and CB are signed next year. I'd opt for a RB too but I think Eric can cover that positon if moved away from CB.

The question is, how much of this is even feasible?

 

[Barcaman]

Negative titles in Catalan Sport. Questioning Flick, Rashford (it's always the non-Spaniard), Henry criticizing Barca.

No title on no budget, not planning/letting Inigo for free, no stadium, uncertainty about pre-season and more players leaving, failed promises on big signings.

Let's just narrow it down to defense then. They expect great performances there with even worse line than last season. And as Frenkie honestly said last night, it wasn't that good last year either. Maybe the solution is to put mighty Martin or Cubarsi in? Those are the best names on the bench. Astralaga too lately.

Solution is, primarily, to get back to pressing. Team runs significantly less than last season and this is where problems start. It's either that or play more conservatively and abandon high press. But if you do that prepare to be able to defend more. But then we're back at main question: With what players? Compare that last line with other top clubs. And accept the fact we don't have real DMs either.

Flick is doing best with what he's given. Once real captain of this team is back we will see.

 

[Horatio]

Negative titles in Catalan Sport. Questioning Flick, Rashford (it's always the non-Spaniard), Henry criticizing Barca.

No title on no budget, not planning/letting Inigo for free, no stadium, uncertainty about pre-season and more players leaving, failed promises on big signings.

Let's just narrow it down to defense then. They expect great performances there with even worse line than last season. And as Frenkie honestly said last night, it wasn't that good last year either. Maybe the solution is to put mighty Martin or Cubarsi in? Those are the best names on the bench. Astralaga too lately.

Solution is, primarily, to get back to pressing. Team runs significantly less than last season and this is where problems start. It's either that or play more conservatively and abandon high press. But if you do that prepare to be able to defend more. But then we're back at main question: With what players? Compare that last line with other top clubs. And accept the fact we don't have real DMs either.

Flick is doing best with what he's given. Once real captain of this team is back we will see.

What I have been sayin

 

[malvolio]

Flick or no Flick next year, Laporta and Deco need to make some key signings.

The biggest concern at this club should be if we allow ourselves to get into a position where a rebuild is not feasible given the team requirements and financial situation and as a result we continue to deteriorate.

I just don't see how this team doesn't have huge glaring holes unless a ST, LW, LB and CB are signed next year. I'd opt for a RB too but I think Eric can cover that positon if moved away from CB.

The question is, how much of this is even feasible?

Yeah, at least people are waking up about the whole genius manager shenanigans.

Manager won't do shit without some good players.
That doesn't mean you have to look like a fool vs FC Brugge though.

 

[serghei]

Meh, any manager does his best with what he's given. This is not anything impressive and only something that applies to Flick. The best thing he did last season was make the players improve themselves and put in a harder effort than normally. If that doesn't apply anymore, we're shite to look at. Unless you are masochistic and like seeing us ripped to shreads by any decent team.

Considering his entire and only tactical plan is based on everyone running non stop, he'd better find a way to make that happening or else we're looking at nothing this season, and we're running the risk of not even competing, let alone win things. Maybe a Copa if we get some lucky draw.

Now, we're not yet at disaster levels this season, but we're approaching that area with how our defense looks.