8 - Pedri

[JamDav1982]

No that is garbage.

If he does the same job in a 433 it becomes a double pivot.

A CM in a 433 wont drop to help the DM as much as that... or guess what.. it is a double pivot set up.

It ceases to be a lone DM.

Basic stuff.

Such poor understanding of who plays where as ever.

 

[jamrock]

Side bar my boy @khaled_a_d was telling us for the entire time xavi wanted zubi, that he was skeptical of zubi's ability can to make the step up to a big club, now that he's done something that was clear he could do to most with Spain & Arsenal

He's all of a sudden an expert in what he can & can't excel at lol.

The reason xavi wanted him is because he can knew he can play that single pivot position at the level required.

Because he showed at multi times at RS.

 

[JamDav1982]

Xavi wanted a ton of players in midfield and the ones he signed largely failed to make any impac.

To make out it is some huge plus for Xavi as Barca were linked to Zubi but he didnt want to move to play under Xavi anyway is nothing really.

 

[jamrock]

"Amrabat is actually superior than Zubi with some margin, especially on the ball"

@khaled_a_d ,

So yeah let's not listen to this person on what zubi can & can't do and also the functions of a Central Midfielder.

If pedri was playing the same way valverde is asked to for Madrid under alonso, I would say okay you have a point, because in that double pivot there is no central midfielder.

Their are multiple different ways to execute the 4231.

But what you're saying is a change in title, means a change in function, which is simply incorrect.

The way pedri plays now, he does the functional job of a Central Midfielder, if we switch to a 433 he would be doing the same thing, and excel at it, as he showed before at Barcelona.

Had to finish my thought, was working while having this Little debate.

 

[JamDav1982]

Again still dont understand that the role Pedri is playing now is no the same as CM.

Never do get much clue of how Pedri plays.

Pedri is clearly playing in double pivot and the one with more freedom of the two.

That is not the same as just being a CM who drops that much or it then becomes a double pivot anyway.

All this mental gymnastics as was caught out claiming Pedri would be wost in a deeper two than Gavi, Gundo and FDJ and absolutely positively has to be Barcas 'most advanced midfielder'.

By Jamrock rules Barca are not playing a double pivot as Pedri is a CM in this formation.

Absolute nonsense.

CM plays with a single pivot. Pedri doesnt. Simple.

Same nonsense about how 'Barca changed to double pivot as didnt have a DM'.

More nonsense. They changed when had 'Barcas best midfielder' Busquets.

 

[jamrock]

Which means the only two person's who couldn't excel in a 433 assuming we sign a DM like zubi in our current squad is olmo and we all guessed it, Frankie de average 😂 😂

 

[JamDav1982]

That would be Frenkie who was Barcas best midfielder in 433 in Xavis first season run of form.. absolutely ran show in 4-0 win in Bernabeu etc.

Who Xavi picked in 433 far more than Gavi and in the biggest games v Real etc in run up to change to box midfield.

Same Frenkie who played 433 a number of times under Koeman and was Barcas best player after Messi... see final win v Bilbao as easiest example.

Top stuff.

But Jamrock will lie and tell you Xavi preferred Gavi there.

Likes of Gavi would be even further down pecking order if Zubi arrived at Barca at DM.

This lad thinks Gavi and Frenkie are better deep midfielders than Pedri and Casado is a top class player.

Sensational.

All excuses... if Barca win its all Pedri and best going.. if Barca lose and Pedri doesnt play well its everyone elses fault.

Usual rules.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Interesting discussion to read guys during my breakfast 👏👏

 

[serghei]

3 man midfield does not automatically imply single pivot. For the top teams the 3 players form a rather fluid shape, with different triangulation depending on how the opponent is set up. You will always have more control over midfield with 3 there than with 2.

PSG play with 3 in midfield. That is why they can't fit in both Barcola and Doue and Barcola became the supersub.

The reason midfield 3 is superior is because it can bring as much as 3 players to deep build-up if 2 are blocked. So you have 1 sole DM in normal conditions, but up to 3 players join the buil-up quickly if the midfield superiority is challenged and progression is impeded. You can beat press more easily.

 

[serghei]

Let's see how Flick tackles the man marking to our 2 pivots without a third midfielder to help out.

Normally he should instruct the CAM to drop and form a midfield three when that happens.

How will he solve that Olmo was a ghost at CAM while Pedri and De Jong got overrun vs PSG. Tactically, not saying we should have Dani Alves 2.0 as our RB.

 

[serghei]

If Flick was in charge of PSG, he would play both Doue and Barcola, moving one at CAM, sacrifice probably Joao Neves, and ship in far more goals, leading to an imbalanced side.

 

[Temptation]

Good thing we have JamDav to tell the greatest CM of all time who can play what in midfield .

So Messi and Ronaldo know more about tactics, systems and coaching than Pep?

 

[JamDav1982]

Nah likes of Pep and vast majority of top coaches have switched to double pivot as they see it as giving more control not less.

More options to play out from back etc.

Single pivot is absolutely not the same with one CM dropping.. if they do it then becomes a double pivot.

 

[JamDav1982]

So Messi and Ronaldo know more about tactics, systems and coaching than Pep?

Serghie used to think he knew more than Barca legend Ronald Kidman who was ruining the talent of Riqui Puig.

As ever these rules apply when fit.

 

[jamrock]

The 433 is the best system in football because of how tactical flexible it is, you can instantly switch to almost any formation without making a sub, because technically the 2 of your CM should be able play a 10 if needed.

As we see with PSG the way the switch positions all over the pitch, but especially in midfield is why I said since last season they are better than us, the only player we have in our Midfield with that level of flexibility is Pedri & gavi at his best, which isn't surprising, given that they are both Spanish & 1 masia


See the way Ruiz, merano, zubi, rodri, all those guys can switch and feel comfortable in at least 2 positions in Midfield.

It seems olmo left Spain to Early before his Midfield education was done.

One of a few key reasons, could give 10 more, PSG shows a lot of them