Hans-Dieter Flick
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jamrock
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This Xavi, who had a Golden Ball winner, and Barto, who signed a Golden Ball winner, has to stop.
Did Dembele win a Golden Ball at Barca?
Did he ever show he remotely could?
We won a league title, and one of the reasons was we got the best Dembele ever while at Barca when he was fit.
Instead of talking nonsense about what Dembele did two years after leaving Barcelona, why don't we instead look at his time at the club and give Xavi credit for getting the best out of him during his time here?
That line of argument just gets under my skin, especially when some try to use it as a justification for Barto, oh, he signed a player that won the Golden Ball 6+ years later at a totally different club after failing at Barca over and over again.
The only manager at Barca that got something out of him? Xavi.
Let's compare Xavi vs. Flick's time at Barca after 2.5-3 seasons.
Xavi wasn't perfect; he was an inexperienced manager, but he:
Took us over in 9th and got us to 2nd.
Won the league.
Was a red card away from a CL SF and played PSG the best many Barca managers have done in years, including Flick.
Rejuvenated the squad massively, without Xavi their would be no current Barca or flick
For all the talk of Madrid performances, I remember a 4-1 vs. Madrid, a 3-1 vs. Madrid. If memory serves me right, he ended with a positive result vs. Madrid, but all some will talk about is the one big loss.
Let's see if flick will be riding high after 2.5-3 year as our coach, I sure hope so
Did Dembele win a Golden Ball at Barca?
Did he ever show he remotely could?
We won a league title, and one of the reasons was we got the best Dembele ever while at Barca when he was fit.
Instead of talking nonsense about what Dembele did two years after leaving Barcelona, why don't we instead look at his time at the club and give Xavi credit for getting the best out of him during his time here?
That line of argument just gets under my skin, especially when some try to use it as a justification for Barto, oh, he signed a player that won the Golden Ball 6+ years later at a totally different club after failing at Barca over and over again.
The only manager at Barca that got something out of him? Xavi.
Let's compare Xavi vs. Flick's time at Barca after 2.5-3 seasons.
Xavi wasn't perfect; he was an inexperienced manager, but he:
Took us over in 9th and got us to 2nd.
Won the league.
Was a red card away from a CL SF and played PSG the best many Barca managers have done in years, including Flick.
Rejuvenated the squad massively, without Xavi their would be no current Barca or flick
For all the talk of Madrid performances, I remember a 4-1 vs. Madrid, a 3-1 vs. Madrid. If memory serves me right, he ended with a positive result vs. Madrid, but all some will talk about is the one big loss.
Let's see if flick will be riding high after 2.5-3 year as our coach, I sure hope so
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iniestaGOAT
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Lets not forget FLICK had the easiest CL draw in the history of football,
And still could not make it to the finals
Hes a total AMATEUR
And still could not make it to the finals
Hes a total AMATEUR
Birdy
Senior Member
You have the audacity to talk about selective understanding, when you purposefully omit to mention:
- Xavi being humiliated in Europe by the likes of Eintracht Frankfurt, kicked out twice in the group stage of CL, kicked out by UTD in the R32 of Europa League, and receiving 10-0 in total by Bayern Munich
- while also being carried to a league title by Stegen and BACK-line, with Mourino-esque football full of 1-0s, unable to exert even minimal dominance in games
You also forgot that Flick did domestic sweep of titles (something Xavi will never do in his life), that he reached CL semis (something Xavi will never do in his life), and he coached football Xavi will never coach in his life
Keep clowning yourself
Birdy
Senior Member
You are two guys that refuse to take a simple L of your shitty takes, and drag and tire the whole thread with strawmans and false narratives
- 'Took us in the 9th'
another common propagandist lie. Positions are not determined in October, and Koeman left us 3rd in the league (20/21) and Copa del Rey winners. That's where Xavi took over
- 'a red card away from cL SF'
No we weren't. PSG were thumping us in that game even 11 vs 11, it was pretty sure we would be out in any case, for anyone having impartial eyes
- 'rejuvenated the squad'
with 200m lever-money ill spent
GEt a grip...
PS: But you are right in at least something: let's compare Xavi and Flick after 2.5 years.
And with Flick getting 200m transfers of his liking next summer.
Yes, if that happens, we can make the comparion.
but it is already in favor of Flick without the 200m in transfers
serghei
Senior Member
Frankfurt was in 2021-22, before key transfers were made. Try again. It's easy with you. The squad got seriously improved in the summer of 2022. After Xavi's first 5-6 months. Everyone should know this.
What a stupid argument to say he was carried by X or Y. This is children level like. Carried by defense means you set up a good defense. That's like saying Flick got carried by the attackers last season.
Complete nonsense.I said myself Flick is a better manager than Xavi. Try to stick with the arguments that are being made. You are the one who idolizes one and trashes the other, not me. Quite embarassing, but go for it.
It's irrelevant if you go out in groups vs teams like Bayern and Inter, or you go out in semifinals. Luck is luck. Xavi got bad luck in 2022-23 to be drawn in the same group with 1 objectively better team at the time in all levels in Bayern and Inter, who were a better than than the Inter Flick faced based on what they showed in the CL final that season vs the trashing vs PSG.
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Birdy
Senior Member
Frankfurt was in 2021-22, before key transfers were made. Try again. It's easy with you. The squad got seriously improved in the summer of 2022. After Xavi's first 5-6 months. Everyone should know this.
What a stupid argument to say he was carried by X or Y. This is children level like. Carried by defense means you set up a good defense. That's like saying Flick got carried by the attackers last season.
Frankfurt was actually the only period (Feb-Apr '22) in Xavi's stint that the team played decent football.
Which makes the elimination even worse
Yes, he was absolutely carried, because we did not deserve around 70% of those 1-0s that season, based on chances. Opponents created more big chances than us, but we were getting bailed every other game by Stegen and the BACK-line. I had proved that in the past to all doubters with stat analysis of all the results in the league that season.
Setting up a good defense means the opposite: means not conceding big chances.
Of course you fail to get it, because you barely understand football
Nonsense is actually what's coming out of your mouth.
Others are trying to tell you, but you are unable to even read the room...
serghei
Senior Member
You're completely fabricating things as usual. In the season we won the league we had most expected points, most expected goals, and least expected goals against. That means we should have finished with most points (we did), we should have scored the most goals (we didn't, underperformed our xG by 13 goals -> should have scored 13 more goals than we did), we should have made the post points (we did).
You've created this parallel reality in your head.
We've dominated every key metric at team level, except goals scored.
Not liking Xavi's style is totally fine, most didn't appreciate it. Making things up is not.
jamrock
Senior Member
Birdy
Senior Member
That's actually you, who don't know how to read Xstats and fabricate narratives that we dominated all metrics
We won that league because of the (around 15 or so) 1-0s against fodder LL teams that season.
Eye-test is enough to tell you that Stegen and defense bailed Xavi
But if you don't want eye-test, stats tell you the same. If you sit down and analyze the stats of those games (I had done in the past and had extensive threads about it), you will see that we didn't deserve more than 15 points from those games, where opponents had better chances than us
Xavi was simply lucky AF to win that league title
Birdy
Senior Member
Birdy
Senior Member
That's you actually with 'IS' instead of 'ISN't'
serghei
Senior Member
That's actually you, who don't know how to read Xstats and fabricate narratives that we dominated all metrics
We won that league because of the (around 15 or so) 1-0s against fodder LL teams that season.
Eye-test is enough to tell you that Stegen and defense bailed Xavi
But if you don't want eye-test, stats tell you the same. If you sit down and analyze the stats of those games (I had done in the past and had extensive threads about it), you will see that we didn't deserve more than 15 points from those games, where opponents had better chances than us
Xavi was simply lucky AF to win that league title
Ah, your eye test. That told me Klopp Liverpool would have beaten Pep Barca?
Or what was it lately? Aston Villa would have beaten mid 00s Milan? That eye test?That told me Ange is a great manager?
Why don't you direct me to some of your hidden sources that shows me our expected goals against would be anything else except the best in the league in 2022-2023. Or expected points. Even in your own backyard with your own x-stats you don't have a leg to stand on.
serghei
Senior Member
Just keep it real. Flick did upgrade the entertainment value of the team by playing attacking football, but the problems that hurt us under the previous manager vs higher quality opponents keep hurting us. Short squad, subpar back-up players, players with low experience at the top predisposed to brainfarts under pressure, players who maybe don't have the athletic ability to do both phases (on and off the ball) as well. The whole lot. No shame in denying what has been proven several times.
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